Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
If you don't have Windows Desktops today, then you have to look to options... do you give everyone a desktop (perhaps these people aren't in the office, they don't have cubes for a desktop) or setup RDS. The question is, will your application run in RDS server setup?
And there is I think the key question between VDI and RDSH, right? Will the app work. Does the work environment require occasional user access to admin/install apps or finicky software.
In our case, we are splitting a company in two, and I am going to have to buy stuff. So its a bit of a "start from scratch" scenario. In the past, the problem was never truly solved. Lots of selective syncing, VPN, whatever each man wanted.
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That sounds like a bad way to run IT, eh.. whatever you want end user.. we'll just give it to you.
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As I am looking at this, I am also looking at running a Windows Server on Vultr. In 2012 you had to deploy a session broker, etc and a DC.
Is it possible, outside of AD, requirements, to run 2016 RDSH on a single server. Or does it still require the second server for the connection broker and other stuff that showed up in 2012?
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@Dashrender What would be a good way for this use case? I am not really set in my way, I dont see any other config
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
That sounds like a bad way to run IT, eh.. whatever you want end user.. we'll just give it to you.
lolAre you referring to our old way or the Terminal Services way? If the former, things just like this ultimately lead to the split, and I would like to have some standardized practices in place as we plan to grow.
If the latter, I am open to suggestions.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller The way Microsoft calls everything RDS now I am not sure it is clear what I am saying.
Not sure what you mean. there is only one thing called RDS that I know of.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
But regardless, its definitely a remote access issue. An issue where multiple people in different places need to access a larger amount of data. So Remote Desktop Session Host (terminal services) is what will solve the problem. Or are you suggesting something else.
Why not... just remote into your existing desktops?
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
What do you users have today? Do they have a desktop today? If yes, then just give the users a laptop, setup an RDS gateway, and have all of the client desktops register with it and you're done. Remote access to Windows Pro is included.
Don't need RDS if you don't want, either. But RDS does the job well.
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@scottalanmiller we dont have existing desktops. Everyone has a laptop or will be issued when so it leaves things where theres.... no where to remote into LOL
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller The way Microsoft calls everything RDS now I am not sure it is clear what I am saying.
Not sure what you mean. there is only one thing called RDS that I know of.
Used to be Virtual Server, Hyper-V and Terminal Services. Now they sort of refer to it all as Remote Desktop Services and say there is "Session Based" "VDI" "Dedicated and Pooled".
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I think a RDS server is probably your less expensive option at this point. Assuming your CAD software will allow for multiple users to run it on the same server at the same time.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
What do you users have today? Do they have a desktop today? If yes, then just give the users a laptop, setup an RDS gateway, and have all of the client desktops register with it and you're done. Remote access to Windows Pro is included.
Don't need RDS if you don't want, either. But RDS does the job well.
Connecting to a Windows 10 PC over a local network uses RDS, so I'm not sure how you avoid it.
IF you're talking about the licensing needed to do RDS to a RDS server or VDI, I'm not sure it's required if you are only using an RDS Gateway feature to desktops, and not to a RDS (TS) or VDI solution. Again, I don't know the licensing requirements.
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@Dashrender I was going to run a test network on Vultr before ordering servers. Trying to decide what instance I should pick.
The CAD will work, and mostly used for looking at drawings not actually doing CAD. Not sure how well running CAD would be, I have seen it work will with Citrix but never just Windows Server.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
What do you users have today? Do they have a desktop today? If yes, then just give the users a laptop, setup an RDS gateway, and have all of the client desktops register with it and you're done. Remote access to Windows Pro is included.
Don't need RDS if you don't want, either. But RDS does the job well.
Connecting to a Windows 10 PC over a local network uses RDS, so I'm not sure how you avoid it.
IF you're talking about the licensing needed to do RDS to a RDS server or VDI, I'm not sure it's required if you are only using an RDS Gateway feature to desktops, and not to a RDS (TS) or VDI solution. Again, I don't know the licensing requirements.
And actually that brings me back to @scottalanmiller's first post about this. Would that be a bettter option than the traditional terminal servers session and would it not require additional licensing?
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Does Vultr have fully licensed Windows systems now? I'm asking because I have no clue.
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@Dashrender Yup, but obsiously the VDI Server 2016 instances wouldnt be an option, just Session Hosting or Terminal Services or RDSH or whatever they want to call it now.
And then, then I think Office 365 licensing doesnt work for Office. May have to VL the Office 2016 licenses. Will have to check on that now too...
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender I was going to run a test network on Vultr before ordering servers. Trying to decide what instance I should pick.
The CAD will work, and mostly used for looking at drawings not actually doing CAD. Not sure how well running CAD would be, I have seen it work will with Citrix but never just Windows Server.
As far as I know, Citrix only put in a RDS protocol replacement which is more efficient than the RDS protocol. So the actual running of an app is less a concern, but network bandwidth is an issue.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
What do you users have today? Do they have a desktop today? If yes, then just give the users a laptop, setup an RDS gateway, and have all of the client desktops register with it and you're done. Remote access to Windows Pro is included.
Don't need RDS if you don't want, either. But RDS does the job well.
Connecting to a Windows 10 PC over a local network uses RDS, so I'm not sure how you avoid it.
IF you're talking about the licensing needed to do RDS to a RDS server or VDI, I'm not sure it's required if you are only using an RDS Gateway feature to desktops, and not to a RDS (TS) or VDI solution. Again, I don't know the licensing requirements.
And actually that brings me back to @scottalanmiller's first post about this. Would that be a bettter option than the traditional terminal servers session and would it not require additional licensing?
What was Scott's original recommendation?
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender Yup, but obsiously the VDI Server 2016 instances wouldnt be an option, just Session Hosting or Terminal Services or RDSH or whatever they want to call it now.
And then, then I think Office 365 licensing doesnt work for Office. May have to VL the Office 2016 licenses. Will have to check on that now too...
I'm pretty sure O365 now allows us on RDS servers (terminal Servers). But why does this matter?
Only use TS for the CAD stuff, and use other options for normal word documents.
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And to flip things all around, as I have been testing sync solutions. Obviously OneDrive for Business is trash. it seems Onedrive Personal is miles ahead because ODfB still uses sharepoint libraries.
Google Drive and Dropbox work okay. I have been happy so far with my testing of NextCloud. What would you go for if you werent using RDS in a situation like this?
