Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?
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@Dashrender I'd prefer terminal over vdi, just to be clear.
Yes all users are mobile especially when they need to access the data most.
So rdp in and access server where files are immediately accessible to network share, versus cloud sync to every remote user.
VPN is much slower in this case than remotely browsing and viewing files through rdp
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
We are all very mobile, and I do like that I can remote in and get to my desktop from my iPhone or wherever I may be without my laptop.
But VDI doesn't enable that. nor does RDS. That's just remote access, a very different conversation from virtualizing or moving to server side desktop processing.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
The alternative is syncing several hundred thousand files to everyone computer, which even Dropbox warns against.
That's not a good option.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
VPN is much slower in this case than remotely browsing and viewing files through rdp
Of course. But my first thought would be to just enable remote access to desktops, not to replace the desktops. It's remote access that enables this, not removing the desktop.
When I was on Wall St., all security was done through our desktop instances. So to get access we had to access them remotely. but we didn't go to thin clients.
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@scottalanmiller The way Microsoft calls everything RDS now I am not sure it is clear what I am saying.
But regardless, its definitely a remote access issue. An issue where multiple people in different places need to access a larger amount of data. So Remote Desktop Session Host (terminal services) is what will solve the problem. Or are you suggesting something else.
The VDI question was more out of curiosity should I want to try something more graphics intensive.
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What do you users have today? Do they have a desktop today? If yes, then just give the users a laptop, setup an RDS gateway, and have all of the client desktops register with it and you're done. Remote access to Windows Pro is included.
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If you don't have Windows Desktops today, then you have to look to options... do you give everyone a desktop (perhaps these people aren't in the office, they don't have cubes for a desktop) or setup RDS. The question is, will your application run in RDS server setup?
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
If you don't have Windows Desktops today, then you have to look to options... do you give everyone a desktop (perhaps these people aren't in the office, they don't have cubes for a desktop) or setup RDS. The question is, will your application run in RDS server setup?
And there is I think the key question between VDI and RDSH, right? Will the app work. Does the work environment require occasional user access to admin/install apps or finicky software.
In our case, we are splitting a company in two, and I am going to have to buy stuff. So its a bit of a "start from scratch" scenario. In the past, the problem was never truly solved. Lots of selective syncing, VPN, whatever each man wanted.
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That sounds like a bad way to run IT, eh.. whatever you want end user.. we'll just give it to you.
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As I am looking at this, I am also looking at running a Windows Server on Vultr. In 2012 you had to deploy a session broker, etc and a DC.
Is it possible, outside of AD, requirements, to run 2016 RDSH on a single server. Or does it still require the second server for the connection broker and other stuff that showed up in 2012?
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@Dashrender What would be a good way for this use case? I am not really set in my way, I dont see any other config
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
That sounds like a bad way to run IT, eh.. whatever you want end user.. we'll just give it to you.
lolAre you referring to our old way or the Terminal Services way? If the former, things just like this ultimately lead to the split, and I would like to have some standardized practices in place as we plan to grow.
If the latter, I am open to suggestions.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller The way Microsoft calls everything RDS now I am not sure it is clear what I am saying.
Not sure what you mean. there is only one thing called RDS that I know of.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
But regardless, its definitely a remote access issue. An issue where multiple people in different places need to access a larger amount of data. So Remote Desktop Session Host (terminal services) is what will solve the problem. Or are you suggesting something else.
Why not... just remote into your existing desktops?
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
What do you users have today? Do they have a desktop today? If yes, then just give the users a laptop, setup an RDS gateway, and have all of the client desktops register with it and you're done. Remote access to Windows Pro is included.
Don't need RDS if you don't want, either. But RDS does the job well.
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@scottalanmiller we dont have existing desktops. Everyone has a laptop or will be issued when so it leaves things where theres.... no where to remote into LOL
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller The way Microsoft calls everything RDS now I am not sure it is clear what I am saying.
Not sure what you mean. there is only one thing called RDS that I know of.
Used to be Virtual Server, Hyper-V and Terminal Services. Now they sort of refer to it all as Remote Desktop Services and say there is "Session Based" "VDI" "Dedicated and Pooled".
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I think a RDS server is probably your less expensive option at this point. Assuming your CAD software will allow for multiple users to run it on the same server at the same time.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
What do you users have today? Do they have a desktop today? If yes, then just give the users a laptop, setup an RDS gateway, and have all of the client desktops register with it and you're done. Remote access to Windows Pro is included.
Don't need RDS if you don't want, either. But RDS does the job well.
Connecting to a Windows 10 PC over a local network uses RDS, so I'm not sure how you avoid it.
IF you're talking about the licensing needed to do RDS to a RDS server or VDI, I'm not sure it's required if you are only using an RDS Gateway feature to desktops, and not to a RDS (TS) or VDI solution. Again, I don't know the licensing requirements.
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@Dashrender I was going to run a test network on Vultr before ordering servers. Trying to decide what instance I should pick.
The CAD will work, and mostly used for looking at drawings not actually doing CAD. Not sure how well running CAD would be, I have seen it work will with Citrix but never just Windows Server.
