FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.
Go NY!
It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.
They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.
Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.
I just don't see that happening.
Don't see what happening?
The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.
No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).
I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.
What would the statue for that be?
The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.
Do they? I honestly don't know if they are required to listen or respond to public comments. Frankly that seems like little more than a PR mechanism.
It might be just that, but they are required to respond to public comments after something like 100,000 people sign a complaint / letter etc.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.
Go NY!
It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.
They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.
Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.
I just don't see that happening.
Don't see what happening?
The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.
No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).
I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.
What would the statue for that be?
The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.
Do they? I honestly don't know if they are required to listen or respond to public comments. Frankly that seems like little more than a PR mechanism.
It might be just that, but they are required to respond to public comments after something like 100,000 people sign a complaint / letter etc.
But I'm assuming the response need be nothing more than - go pound sand.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
New York's governor signs executive order similar to Montana, requiring ISPs to adhere to Net Neutrality rules.
Go NY!
It's good news. I'm hoping that the FCC doesn't preempt these Executive orders though.
They already attempted to in their repeal order. 22 or 23 states are suing the FCC over their repeal, so this will go to court as well.
Yep, I knew about the lawsuit to force the FCC to bring the rules back. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or two.
I just don't see that happening.
Don't see what happening?
The FCC losing a lawsuit that would require them to reinstate Net Neutrality. It's their playground as I understand it, they, the FCC, have this power granted to them by Congress. Assuming some other law (that I haven't heard about yet) trumps their power to make this change, I don't see that happening.
No to get real change here we need either Congress to pass laws, or a new head of the FCC to push through new changes (but then again, we'd be just remaining where we are now, on a tetter totter of who's in office as to what the rules will be).
I'm wondering if they will try for incompetence or some other form of negligence against Pai. He knowingly supported and pushed through revoking the rules even when evidence for all his talking points were proven factually incorrect.
What would the statue for that be?
The statute that the FCC has to take and respond to public comments. Of which he took and falsely responded to the comments.
Do they? I honestly don't know if they are required to listen or respond to public comments. Frankly that seems like little more than a PR mechanism.
It might be just that, but they are required to respond to public comments after something like 100,000 people sign a complaint / letter etc.
But I'm assuming the response need be nothing more than - go pound sand.
could be.. . lol
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All I know is that I Like my Whopper without politics.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
All I know is that I Like my Whopper without politics.
For those who haven't seen it yet.
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WOW - that's awesome!
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People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
WOW - that's awesome!
It is funny, and their does need to be a law.
I just don't believe all these big companies have such big hearts that they there isnt some other reach around going on for some other agenda.
Meanwhile, why did the two closest Burger Kings disappear on me in the last 12 months? Now I gotta drive all the way to Springboro to get Whopper. They were also the fastest Burger Kings.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
Because we've already given billions to the large ISPs, just to have them back out and keep the money. Of course, it's government, so nobody should be surprised by this.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.
There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.
There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.
We've never experienced anything like that (KY, OH, IN)
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.
There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.
We've never experienced anything like that (KY, OH, IN)
Else I would be in a different business still...
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
There were programs at the federal and state levels. NYS offered a silly amount of money to ISPs to expand. They took the money and pocketed it. The AG is suing right now for failure to hold up their end of the bargain.
There was also the lifeline, I think that's what it was called, program to help rural and poor people pay for access to the internet. I think that could have been expanded... but it wasn't and instead has been cut back tremendously.
We've never experienced anything like that (KY, OH, IN)
Else I would be in a different business still...
NYS is still offering this to rural ISPs. They can be part of a grant if they expand their coverage by a specific number of customers (I think... it may be based on milage) per year. The catch is that it had to meet the federal (FCC) definition of broadband. Which, until recently, could only be satisfied by wireless, fiber, or coax. So they couldn't put in any new DSL lines.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.
I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.
I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.
I'm not for that or power either.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.
I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.
I'm not for that or power either.
Ah see that's where we differ. I would deem communication and power to be essential services.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.
I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.
I'm not for that or power either.
Ah see that's where we differ. I would deem communication and power to be essential services.
Then they should be state run. And in that case, then yes, I would be onboard with that. Remove it from the private sector, and you'll get my blessing, more or less.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
People are actively resigning from positions due to the amount of insanity that is taking place.
Think about that too, what about under served markets? Where are there no programs to bolster small ISP's to build out in rural areas?
I have a really hard time with this personally. I see some value in this, but I haven't reached a point yet where I feel it's the government's place to mandate that companies provide services to rural areas.
I think we're there and have been for almost a decade. It's no different then telephone service.
I'm not for that or power either.
Ah see that's where we differ. I would deem communication and power to be essential services.
Then they should be state run. And in that case, then yes, I would be onboard with that. Remove it from the private sector, and you'll get my blessing, more or less.
Electric services are more or less state run in most of the US. In all but name. But I agree with you, utilities should be provided and run by the state.
