Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?



  • @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Are you talking about incorporating or creating an LLC?

    Creating an LLC is incorporating. It's one of several forms of that. Yes, some form of forming a proper business, otherwise, how will YOU get paid?

    Not to mention that you could be sued for everything you have if you don't incorporate.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    I already work my freelance stuff, all my "extra" money goes into a business checking account, but there is no separation from personal funds yet. I don't have all that worked out.

    That's the first step before you do anything else, including telling your current business about going part time or starting to do any work. Absolutely step one.



  • @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Are you talking about incorporating or creating an LLC?

    Creating an LLC is incorporating. It's one of several forms of that. Yes, some form of forming a proper business, otherwise, how will YOU get paid?

    Not to mention that you could be sued for everything you have if you don't incorporate.

    Yes, can't be overstated how important this step is.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Are you talking about incorporating or creating an LLC?

    Creating an LLC is incorporating. It's one of several forms of that. Yes, some form of forming a proper business, otherwise, how will YOU get paid?

    Not to mention that you could be sued for everything you have if you don't incorporate.

    Yes, can't be overstated how important this step is.

    That's not the advice I generally read online. Even if I'm a sole proprietor, which I would be, I can still get "sued for everything". So generally it's not to worry about until I really need the liability protection or start hiring people or whatever the case may be.

    Which LLC are you suggesting for a freelancer? Surely I don't need to be a C corp for this?



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Are you talking about incorporating or creating an LLC?

    Creating an LLC is incorporating. It's one of several forms of that. Yes, some form of forming a proper business, otherwise, how will YOU get paid?

    Not to mention that you could be sued for everything you have if you don't incorporate.

    Yes, can't be overstated how important this step is.

    That's not the advice I generally read online.

    Um, then you are reading some seriously crazy stuff. I've never read anything that didn't say that this was the absolute number one most important thing ever. Anything you read that suggests anything otherwise, stop reading immediately, that's not a business publication.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Even if I'm a sole proprietor, which I would be, I can still get "sued for everything".

    Of course, because "sole proprietorship" is unincorporated - the opposite of what we are telling you is the base requirement. It's what is crazy and no one should ever, ever do. In fact, SPs are generally not considered businesses at all, no serious business could possibly consider such a thing. SP literally means "I did nothing that I was supposed to do and am operating as a person instead of a business" and is termed "unlimited liability".



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Which LLC are you suggesting for a freelancer? Surely I don't need to be a C corp for this?

    You really haven't seen any material on this yet. You need to get a book on this and dig in. LLC and C Corp are two different things. LLC doesn't mean "company", it's a very specific kind of company that is as far from a C Corp as you can get. When we suggest an LLC, the "type" is... LLC. There aren't types OF LLCs, LLC is a type OF corporation. A non-shareholder type.

    LLC is the normal thing that you want. But there are B, C and S in most states. There are also LLPs and other things. Lots of options and normally this is where you talk to an attorney long before you talk to the first potential client.



  • Why even create an LLC? Just see if you can stay on as a part time employee at the same rate of $20/hr. Even at $35/hr after taxes you'll be lucky to clear $20/hr



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    So generally it's not to worry about until I really need the liability protection or start hiring people or whatever the case may be.

    This is as wrong as this info gets. Your sources on business are very, very dangerous. In some ways this is correct, you don't need to incorporate until you need liability protection. That time is... the first moment you talk about doing business. So while it is true, that statement means what we said - that you need to be incorporated before opening a bank account, before talking to literally anyone but your attorney. Your liability starts the moment you do anything other than incorporating.



  • I just don't see any value for you getting paid at a such a low rate as a contractor. The $20/hr as an employee is really about the same without all the hassle.



  • @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Why even create an LLC? Just see if you can stay on as a part time employee at the same rate of $20/hr. Even at $35/hr after taxes you'll be lucky to clear $20/hr

    They decided that if I work less than 32hrs it would not be considered full time but part time, and they would want me to go independent at that point.

    This is only taking one day off a week, or working a couple half days. It's not much but I can do this for a couple weeks just to help continue finding more business. Ultimately I'd like to work 20hrs if my freelance takes up the rest. But they can't keep on me on W-2 that way.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Why even create an LLC? Just see if you can stay on as a part time employee at the same rate of $20/hr. Even at $35/hr after taxes you'll be lucky to clear $20/hr

    They decided that if I work less than 32hrs it would not be considered full time but part time, and they would want me to go independent at that point.

    This is only taking one day off a week, or working a couple half days. It's not much but I can do this for a couple weeks just to help continue finding more business. Ultimately I'd like to work 20hrs if my freelance takes up the rest. But they can't keep on me on W-2 that way.

    They can always keep you on W2, hours are not a factor. If they force you off of W2, that is 100% by choice.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Why even create an LLC? Just see if you can stay on as a part time employee at the same rate of $20/hr. Even at $35/hr after taxes you'll be lucky to clear $20/hr

    They decided that if I work less than 32hrs it would not be considered full time but part time, and they would want me to go independent at that point.

    This is only taking one day off a week, or working a couple half days. It's not much but I can do this for a couple weeks just to help continue finding more business. Ultimately I'd like to work 20hrs if my freelance takes up the rest. But they can't keep on me on W-2 that way.

    They can always keep you on W2, hours are not a factor. If they force you off of W2, that is 100% by choice.

    Half of the hours is half the cost for them even on a W2. Actually it's less than half because they dont need to pay benefits.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Why even create an LLC? Just see if you can stay on as a part time employee at the same rate of $20/hr. Even at $35/hr after taxes you'll be lucky to clear $20/hr

    They decided that if I work less than 32hrs it would not be considered full time but part time, and they would want me to go independent at that point.

    This is only taking one day off a week, or working a couple half days. It's not much but I can do this for a couple weeks just to help continue finding more business. Ultimately I'd like to work 20hrs if my freelance takes up the rest. But they can't keep on me on W-2 that way.

    The problem that they are going to face at that rate is that it is going to take you almost no work coming in as a freelancer before you will just drop them. You should find them to be a problem, almost overnight, to keep servicing at that price. Make sure that any contract that you have allows you to drop them in a heartbeat. Because that's SO little money.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @IRJ said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Why even create an LLC? Just see if you can stay on as a part time employee at the same rate of $20/hr. Even at $35/hr after taxes you'll be lucky to clear $20/hr

    They decided that if I work less than 32hrs it would not be considered full time but part time, and they would want me to go independent at that point.

    This is only taking one day off a week, or working a couple half days. It's not much but I can do this for a couple weeks just to help continue finding more business. Ultimately I'd like to work 20hrs if my freelance takes up the rest. But they can't keep on me on W-2 that way.

    The problem that they are going to face at that rate is that it is going to take you almost no work coming in as a freelancer before you will just drop them. You should find them to be a problem, almost overnight, to keep servicing at that price. Make sure that any contract that you have allows you to drop them in a heartbeat. Because that's SO little money.

    I'm sure I'll drop them eventually, or just keep them as a customer in my new business, sticking to the complicated stuff as needed, at my higher rates.

    What I'm afraid of is if I go independent but they continue to demand me and my time and basically treat me like I'm still their staff. Obviously, they would not even be allowed to tell me what my hours should be, or when I am to show up or when I can leave. I absolutely refuse to be treated like staff if I'm working for myself!

    As for rates and other stuff. I only have a DBA for a year and a half now. My business checking account is opened under that. This will be the first year I've made enough money to significantly change anything about my taxes just by working at night.

    I normally do break/fix and random stuff for $40/hr but my freelance rates are $60-$100 or flat project-based.

    There are a lot of questions. I have a home office with a designated room. I don't know what business deductions would look like at this point, or how much I'd make and how much overhead there is, none of it.

    All I know is I've been here 6 years and there are no jobs in this town. I've got to run my own gig and do something with more opportunity.

    If I go 1099 with my company, I would only be offering them "nice" rates as a friend. probably not $40 or $60 but the $30-$35 area sounds nice, unless my hours are cut back lower than 20, at which case I'll just bill them my full rate. I'm not sure how that will work out. They kind of need a full time nerd because nobody there can do computers.

    I made 60% of my full time job take home pay just working nights and clocking 9 or 10 hours a week. I'm passing up opportunities to apply for remote work at $80/hr just because I'm still working full time. I'm avoiding looking for new clients because I just don't have the time for more projects. I already have a few clients in limbo due to time constraints.

    The ultimate goal is to be able to double my income, or triple it! I need to work backwards how to get to that point. Liability isn't a huge concern, I doubt I'm getting sued any time soon because someone doesn't like the shade of blue I picked! I know it's important.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    As for rates and other stuff. I only have a DBA for a year and a half now. My business checking account is opened under that. This will be the first year I've made enough money to significantly change anything about my taxes just by working at night.

    A DBA should be assigned to a business. Like "Bob's Hamburgers, LLC" is DBA is "Freddie's French Fry Hut".

    A DBA should never be assigned a person, only to a business.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    There are a lot of questions. I have a home office with a designated room. I don't know what business deductions would look like at this point, or how much I'd make and how much overhead there is, none of it.

    After incorporating with your attorney, the next people you bring on are your CPA and your IT guy. You are the IT guy, so that is covered. Your CPA will answer the tax stuff once there is a business to file under.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    If I go 1099 with my company, I would only be offering them "nice" rates as a friend. probably not $40 or $60 but the $30-$35 area sounds nice, unless my hours are cut back lower than 20, at which case I'll just bill them my full rate. I'm not sure how that will work out. They kind of need a full time nerd because nobody there can do computers.

    If they need a full time person, then you should be billing them for full time stuff 🙂 You have your first customer and are in good shape.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Liability isn't a huge concern,

    Yes, it really is. It's HUGE. This is how one mistake leads to you losing your home, cars, business, bed, chairs, blankets, the kids' toys... everything. Liability isn't huge, it's INSANELY ENORMOUS.



  • Have you not been following this case?

    https://www.channele2e.com/2017/02/06/can-you-get-arrested-for-turning-off-customer-it-services/

    If you think your LLC doesn't matter, any client can claim ANYTHING they want and possibly send you to jail. Refuse to work for free when they stop paying... go directly to jail Mr. Unlimited Liability. Nothing to limit what they can claim that you are responsible for.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/10510/home-business-ideas-for-transition-out-of-9-5/637

    Im new here so I may have missed previous threads on why your company is a bad place to work. Do you have freelance work or access to opportunities right now? I would be very scared to leave full time employment on the hope of ascertaining web development work.

    Why not just keep the full time job and work nights on the freelance dream until its sustainable?

    Also it would make no sense from a legal or tax perspective to go from W2 to 1099 without at least a 100% bump in your hourly rate. Your employer currently pays half of your social security taxes, which I believe are 15%.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    There are a lot of questions. I have a home office with a designated room. I don't know what business deductions would look like at this point, or how much I'd make and how much overhead there is, none of it.

    After incorporating with your attorney, the next people you bring on are your CPA and your IT guy. You are the IT guy, so that is covered. Your CPA will answer the tax stuff once there is a business to file under.

    He would need to incorporate AND create a solid master services agreement as well as some type of services contract between his new LLC and employer to protect himself.

    As an employee you are protected legally and you have a much simpler tax scenario.

    Again, maybe he has a big customer or freelance contract already onboarded.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    There are a lot of questions. I have a home office with a designated room. I don't know what business deductions would look like at this point, or how much I'd make and how much overhead there is, none of it.

    You should make sure that you are looking at your standard deductions when considering itemizing costs. If you itemizations don't exceed those it wont matter.

    Filing Status Standard Deduction
    Single $6,300
    Married Filing Jointly $12,600
    Married Filing Separately $6,300
    Head of Household $9,250



  • @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Have you not been following this case?

    https://www.channele2e.com/2017/02/06/can-you-get-arrested-for-turning-off-customer-it-services/

    If you think your LLC doesn't matter, any client can claim ANYTHING they want and possibly send you to jail. Refuse to work for free when they stop paying... go directly to jail Mr. Unlimited Liability. Nothing to limit what they can claim that you are responsible for.

    This is so true. It's easy to underestimate the risk of civil suits. The state doesn't have to bring a case against you, your customer can file a complaint and drown you in legal fees.

    It sounds like you are wanting to be free of a boss, which is understandable if the situation is bad. All the reason more to protect yourself if you do go this route.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Have you not been following this case?

    https://www.channele2e.com/2017/02/06/can-you-get-arrested-for-turning-off-customer-it-services/

    If you think your LLC doesn't matter, any client can claim ANYTHING they want and possibly send you to jail. Refuse to work for free when they stop paying... go directly to jail Mr. Unlimited Liability. Nothing to limit what they can claim that you are responsible for.

    Something everybody says but I never see actually happen. And what does it have to do with LLC? I mean, if the customer wants to sue over their data or create some bogus lawsuit, it's not like he can just smile and be like, naaaaawww, I got my red and blue LLC suit on so I think I'll just relax at home instead!

    Sole proprietorship is perfectly valid for a sole freelancer, and DBAs are perfectly valid for SPs to work under. OK so there is some risk, but I don't intend to create contracts, loans, legal agreements or whatever, with my clients. I'm not becoming a hosting company or storing peoples data or white-labeling services.
    If I did ANY of that, then for sure.

    I mean, if an LLC is cheap or doesn't take much to maintain, then no big deal, but working as a SP is also just fine in certain circumstances too.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Something everybody says but I never see actually happen. And what does it have to do with LLC? I mean, if the customer wants to sue over their data or create some bogus lawsuit, it's not like he can just smile and be like, naaaaawww, I got my red and blue LLC suit on so I think I'll just relax at home instead!

    It means that they can sue your business NOT you. Currently they only sue you. Do you want them to only be able to go after the value of your business, or the value of everything you have your personal name on?

    Yes, the magic LLC suit really does protect you.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Something everybody says but I never see actually happen.

    You do realize that that is a community member here in that article, right? It REALLY happens. NTG has had false lawsuits for tens of thousands of dollars as well, it REALLY happens. Someone sees a business name, they try to make a quick buck.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    Sole proprietorship is perfectly valid for a sole freelancer, and DBAs are perfectly valid for SPs to work under.

    It is LEGAL to do this, it is NOT valid. There is no condition under which I could in any ethical conscious ever agree to this statement. You will not break the law by doing this, it is totally insanity to consider such a thing, however. Unless you are maybe homeless and living out of a tent under a bridge.



  • I was sued for $75k about 10 years ago, and it was an experience that led me to leave self employment. I had about 20 customers over a period of 10 years.

    Too boot, it was a company with 2 employees. When interrogatories began he claimed over $1mm in damages. The $75k was just enough in punitive damages to remove it to Federal court, which he intentionally did because all the filings cost more.

    My $10k retainer I paid to "teach him a lesson" was gone in 3 weeks.

    I had hosted this got a server with some CRM called ACT at a colo. After months of non-payment I turned it off. The truth was that he already went bankrupt. He claimed this caused his business to fail.

    Eventually my attorney got my PMI (private mortgage insurance) to take over litigation as he would have taken my house and everything else I had.

    Its a long story, but I had the same cavalier attitude for the decade leading up to that. Simply ran a business by filing a sole prop fictitious name registration with the state so I could open a business checking account.



  • @guyinpv said in Moving from full time to part time, what can I automate?:

    OK so there is some risk, but I don't intend to create contracts, loans, legal agreements or whatever, with my clients.

    So you are at even more risk than normal, rather than less, and feel that that makes you less at risk?

    Unless you can tell me that you will never provide advice, never touch a customer computer, never enter their business, never let them enter yours.... you can't tell me that it's not crazy to not have the minimum protection.

    Think of it this way... when is it okay to not wear your seatbelt? How "little" risk does it take while driving before the basic protections are just ignored?


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