Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace
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@scottalanmiller Why would it not be this simple? Or maybe the terms need to be reworked with the MSP in the example to declare their duties and responsibilities to include "getting it working, and maintaining it".
Which is likely not what is in place at most organizations. So I get your point, but I also disagree at the point about the vendor taking responsibility for other vendors involved.
It isn't their responsibility to correct an issue, cause by Microsoft for example, but if the issue is due to a configuration issue with the system that they setup and are responsible to maintain, then they shouldn't play the "it's them not us" game.
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@DustinB3403 said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
@scottalanmiller Why would it not be this simple? Or maybe the terms need to be reworked with the MSP in the example to declare their duties and responsibilities to include "getting it working, and maintaining it".
Which is likely not what is in place at most organizations. So I get your point, but I also disagree at the point about the vendor taking responsibility for other vendors involved.
It isn't their responsibility to correct an issue, cause by Microsoft for example, but if the issue is due to a configuration issue with the system that they setup and are responsible to maintain, then they shouldn't play the "it's them not us" game.
Look at it this way, if you want to put "unlimited" responsibility onto the MSP, the most you can do is task them at the full level of an internal IT department. And even internal IT has to share responsibility with the vendors.
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@DustinB3403 said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
It isn't their responsibility to correct an issue, cause by Microsoft for example, but if the issue is due to a configuration issue with the system that they setup and are responsible to maintain, then they shouldn't play the "it's them not us" game.
Sure, if it is configuration. If it is, then the issue is not scope, it's false blame.
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wow - what a thread!
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All job descriptions in my office have the final line of
Other duties as assigned.
This line basically tells the employee that they can be asked to do any legal thing, and they must do it, or they are effectively quitting.
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So it sounds like Dustin is having an issue with his MSP not wanting to work on problems in areas that he thinks they are responsible for.
What does the contract with the MSP say? Who managed the MSP? Dustin? or Dustin's boss? whoever that is should be the one to declare if the MSP is doing their job or not.
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@Dashrender said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
All job descriptions in my office have the final line of
Other duties as assigned.
This line basically tells the employee that they can be asked to do any legal thing, and they must do it, or they are effectively quitting.
That's normal and expected.
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@Dashrender said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
So it sounds like Dustin is having an issue with his MSP not wanting to work on problems in areas that he thinks they are responsible for.
What does the contract with the MSP say? Who managed the MSP? Dustin? or Dustin's boss? whoever that is should be the one to declare if the MSP is doing their job or not.
That's a major problem, if you are not the one managing the contract, the limitations put on the MSP by the contract often seem crazy.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
@Dashrender said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
So it sounds like Dustin is having an issue with his MSP not wanting to work on problems in areas that he thinks they are responsible for.
What does the contract with the MSP say? Who managed the MSP? Dustin? or Dustin's boss? whoever that is should be the one to declare if the MSP is doing their job or not.
That's a major problem, if you are not the one managing the contract, the limitations put on the MSP by the contract often seem crazy.
Agreed. It leads those working with MSP think the MSP is worthless in a lot of cases.
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@Dashrender said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
That's a major problem, if you are not the one managing the contract, the limitations put on the M
Or the MSP may actually be worthless and not want to take on the responsibility. Egg on the face.
Regardless of my issues at current, the scenario is fictitious. Would you expect that the MSP work to fix the issue with any vendors involved, or that they say "not us". Even if the client is billed in the end, the communication chain should then clarify who is taking what onto their plate.
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Well, as Scott said, MSPs should have a scope, it should already be very clear who's responsible for what, and when it's not, the person at the client of MSP who is the contact person for the MSP makes a decision on the fly and you instantly move forward.
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@DustinB3403 said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
@Dashrender said in Port - Dealing with the Not My Job attitudes in the workplace:
That's a major problem, if you are not the one managing the contract, the limitations put on the M
Or the MSP may actually be worthless and not want to take on the responsibility. Egg on the face.
Regardless of my issues at current, the scenario is fictitious. Would you expect that the MSP work to fix the issue with any vendors involved, or that they say "not us". Even if the client is billed in the end, the communication chain should then clarify who is taking what onto their plate.
We don't have the scope, so we can't have expectation.
