Smartphone doldrums
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So with Alphabet's announcement of the death of Nexus, Microsoft doing something similar with WP, and Apple refusing to innovate I'm kind of at a loss for my next smartphone platform. I don't really like how intrusive Google is, but I was prepared to deal with it in exchange for a Nexus device. Now there isn't going to be any more of them, and the Pixel is what it is. I currently have an iPhone 6 running the newest iOS version, and I'm happy with the improvements they've made in this iteration, but they're only just catching up to features WP had years ago, and Android implemented more recently, but still awhile ago. And I don't want to pay an Apple premium for their devices.
Are there any bright spots on the horizon?
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Is innovation that big of a deal? I mean, from my perspective, the iPhone may not be innovating at a crazy pace, but everyone else only appears to innovate faster by playing catch up.
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@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
Is innovation that big of a deal? I mean, from my perspective, the iPhone may not be innovating at a crazy pace, but everyone else only appears to innovate faster by playing catch up.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. iOS is missing features that are common on other platforms, and only has a few features that others are missing that are mostly gimmicks of one sort or another. They are finally catching up in the area of notifications after years of having the worst system on the market.
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
Is innovation that big of a deal? I mean, from my perspective, the iPhone may not be innovating at a crazy pace, but everyone else only appears to innovate faster by playing catch up.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. iOS is missing features that are common on other platforms, and only has a few features that others are missing that are mostly gimmicks of one sort or another. They are finally catching up in the area of notifications after years of having the worst system on the market.
Having used both... what Android features are innovative and missing? Not intentionally missing as a design choice which is arguably every bit as innovative.
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@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
Is innovation that big of a deal? I mean, from my perspective, the iPhone may not be innovating at a crazy pace, but everyone else only appears to innovate faster by playing catch up.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. iOS is missing features that are common on other platforms, and only has a few features that others are missing that are mostly gimmicks of one sort or another. They are finally catching up in the area of notifications after years of having the worst system on the market.
Having used both... what Android features are innovative and missing? Not intentionally missing as a design choice which is arguably every bit as innovative.
Frankly, nothing other than inductive charging springs to mind. My point is not what they're missing, but the lack of adding more than catch up features for several iterations of iOS. In addition the iPhone hasn't changed markedly (aside from the size they said they'd never do) since Jobs died. There is no way for me to justify spending so much money on a smartphone (won't buy a high end Samsung either) on a phone with that pedigree.
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My frustration with Apple is not Apple vs Android, although there is some comparison. It is that a company who controls their own hardware and software for so long and has so much money and potential to push UI and features has chosen to rest on the tried and true. It is a purely personal frustration, but it is one factor that makes me less interested in an iPhone over another, more feasibly priced device.
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They've very quickly become an appliance. Choose your ecosystem and away you go.
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@MattSpeller said in Smartphone doldrums:
They've very quickly become an appliance. Choose your ecosystem and away you go.
Maybe I do just need to change my expectations.
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I think we've hit the ceiling in terms of smartphone "innovation". Eventually all hardware catches up, and with software, it just comes down to UI at the end.
I loved the freedom of Android, but there became a point where it was too free (if that makes sense?) and I was spending more time trying to get my phone to be set up exactly the way I wanted it rather than using it.
As a current Apple user, my only gripe is setting default apps--but a long press usually brings up more options at this point so I can choose Google Maps rather than Apple.
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@MattSpeller said in Smartphone doldrums:
They've very quickly become an appliance. Choose your ecosystem and away you go.
Maybe I do just need to change my expectations.
What attachments would you like for your blender?
That's how I look at it now.
I agree with you, it's become rather boring.
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Maybe there needs to be a third party store...
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
Is innovation that big of a deal? I mean, from my perspective, the iPhone may not be innovating at a crazy pace, but everyone else only appears to innovate faster by playing catch up.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. iOS is missing features that are common on other platforms, and only has a few features that others are missing that are mostly gimmicks of one sort or another. They are finally catching up in the area of notifications after years of having the worst system on the market.
Having used both... what Android features are innovative and missing? Not intentionally missing as a design choice which is arguably every bit as innovative.
Frankly, nothing other than inductive charging springs to mind. My point is not what they're missing, but the lack of adding more than catch up features for several iterations of iOS. In addition the iPhone hasn't changed markedly (aside from the size they said they'd never do) since Jobs died. There is no way for me to justify spending so much money on a smartphone (won't buy a high end Samsung either) on a phone with that pedigree.
I can think of a couple things. Swipe right for cards. That's been a part of Google Now since the beginning. Also travel times, where you parked your car, etc has been a part of Google Now since it came out. Apple has finally caught on and used the same design. I've found the Google voice searching much more accurate than Siri. You are right, notifications have been light years ahead. iOS didn't even have a notification try until around 6 or 7. Android had quick links first, which was then touted as some super add on to iOS years later.
This is a small thing overall, but a big thing to me. I can't stand not being able to put apps in an app drawer. I only had the quick launch apps at the bottom and almost nothing else. I can't stand being forced to have all of it on my screen, even in folders. The app drawer is awesome. I have all of my apps, and I open it and start typing what I want and it shows up.
Take the new 7 for example, the dual lenses is not an innovation. I had that on an HTC phone back around 2012, and it even did 3D video and photos.
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
Is innovation that big of a deal? I mean, from my perspective, the iPhone may not be innovating at a crazy pace, but everyone else only appears to innovate faster by playing catch up.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. iOS is missing features that are common on other platforms, and only has a few features that others are missing that are mostly gimmicks of one sort or another. They are finally catching up in the area of notifications after years of having the worst system on the market.
Having used both... what Android features are innovative and missing? Not intentionally missing as a design choice which is arguably every bit as innovative.
Frankly, nothing other than inductive charging springs to mind. My point is not what they're missing, but the lack of adding more than catch up features for several iterations of iOS. In addition the iPhone hasn't changed markedly (aside from the size they said they'd never do) since Jobs died. There is no way for me to justify spending so much money on a smartphone (won't buy a high end Samsung either) on a phone with that pedigree.
I don't feel that this makes sense, though. So, other than the cool inductive charging that I totally agree with, the iPhone is basically so good and has been the leader for so long that... you don't like their pedigree? And you prefer a phone that lags behind but spreads out their innovation more evenly? Once Android catches up to iPhone, will they stop too? Is Android only better then, because it lags behind? That seems counter intuitive.
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
My frustration with Apple is not Apple vs Android, although there is some comparison. It is that a company who controls their own hardware and software for so long and has so much money and potential to push UI and features has chosen to rest on the tried and true. It is a purely personal frustration, but it is one factor that makes me less interested in an iPhone over another, more feasibly priced device.
In some ways, I understand. But in other ways, that's exactly what I want from a phone and exactly where Windows Phone failed. Making a great interface and not changing things just for the sake of change is the best innovation yet!
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@ChrisL said in Smartphone doldrums:
I think we've hit the ceiling in terms of smartphone "innovation". Eventually all hardware catches up, and with software, it just comes down to UI at the end.
I loved the freedom of Android, but there became a point where it was too free (if that makes sense?) and I was spending more time trying to get my phone to be set up exactly the way I wanted it rather than using it.
As a current Apple user, my only gripe is setting default apps--but a long press usually brings up more options at this point so I can choose Google Maps rather than Apple.
Yes, while I love that Android exists and love that it is wide open, I don't want that on my phone. I want less freedom, not more. BUT I want the freedom to chose to not have that freedom, hence why I like that Android is there for other people.
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
Maybe there needs to be a third party store...
I like not having the third party store for my phone, actually. That's one of the things that I meant by "not intentionally left out", because I see the local down and vertical integrations as key features.
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@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
Is innovation that big of a deal? I mean, from my perspective, the iPhone may not be innovating at a crazy pace, but everyone else only appears to innovate faster by playing catch up.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. iOS is missing features that are common on other platforms, and only has a few features that others are missing that are mostly gimmicks of one sort or another. They are finally catching up in the area of notifications after years of having the worst system on the market.
Having used both... what Android features are innovative and missing? Not intentionally missing as a design choice which is arguably every bit as innovative.
Frankly, nothing other than inductive charging springs to mind. My point is not what they're missing, but the lack of adding more than catch up features for several iterations of iOS. In addition the iPhone hasn't changed markedly (aside from the size they said they'd never do) since Jobs died. There is no way for me to justify spending so much money on a smartphone (won't buy a high end Samsung either) on a phone with that pedigree.
I don't feel that this makes sense, though. So, other than the cool inductive charging that I totally agree with, the iPhone is basically so good and has been the leader for so long that... you don't like their pedigree? And you prefer a phone that lags behind but spreads out their innovation more evenly? Once Android catches up to iPhone, will they stop too? Is Android only better then, because it lags behind? That seems counter intuitive.
I think we have widely disparate perspectives on where features have been implemented and who is the leader aside from single handset sales. Most of the assumptions in your questions I do not agree with, so it is at best difficult, if not impossible for me to answer them.
The iPhone is not an innovation leader any more, and hasn't been for a long time. Android doesn't really need to catch up to the iPhone in much if anything. Force touch? I don't think Android lags behind, and in fact I have stated a few times in this thread that iOS has only just caught up with other platforms. It is the one I stated is lagging behind.
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@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
Maybe there needs to be a third party store...
I like not having the third party store for my phone, actually. That's one of the things that I meant by "not intentionally left out", because I see the local down and vertical integrations as key features.
I would like to not be locked in to a single platform and not having my <insert digital purchase> tied to that platform. Sure there are workarounds, but they are just that.
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
The iPhone is not an innovation leader any more, and hasn't been for a long time. Android doesn't really need to catch up to the iPhone in much if anything. Force touch? I don't think Android lags behind, and in fact I have stated a few times in this thread that iOS has only just caught up with other platforms. It is the one I stated is lagging behind.
Having used both, I can't agree. The place where Android needs to catch up is in the basics, not in the "features." It's ease of use, standard interface and reliability of core services (email, text, voice calls.) The Android is great at being a gimmick and looks wonderful on a spec sheet or feature list... but iPhone just... phones better.
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@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
@scottalanmiller said in Smartphone doldrums:
@Kelly said in Smartphone doldrums:
Maybe there needs to be a third party store...
I like not having the third party store for my phone, actually. That's one of the things that I meant by "not intentionally left out", because I see the local down and vertical integrations as key features.
I would like to not be locked in to a single platform and not having my <insert digital purchase> tied to that platform. Sure there are workarounds, but they are just that.
I can appreciate that. I like having that, though, because of the reliability that it provides. To me it is a feature. And a critical one. Or more importantly, it helps to power a feature.
