What Are You Doing Right Now
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.I watched it live. No matter what opinions anyone has, watching a double impeachment live, half of all impeachments votes in our nation's history, and the first for serious offenses ever, is super historic. All impeachments in the past were really fluffy and only one at a time.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.I watched it live. No matter what opinions anyone has, watching a double impeachment live, half of all impeachments votes in our nation's history, and the first for serious offenses ever, is super historic. All impeachments in the past were really fluffy and only one at a time.
I didn't watch it live, i Just read the after-action report.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.Meh... this was totally expected.. and it's expected to completely fail in the senate.
at least that's the last I've heard when I cared enough to listen.It's around 99% certain or more that it will fail in the senate. The question posed to the senate is not "did the president do X wrong", but "does the senate feel that what the president might have done wrong is worth removing him from the role". So even if the senate believes all of the charges, even if it proves them, that's not what they are voting on.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.Meh... this was totally expected.. and it's expected to completely fail in the senate.
at least that's the last I've heard when I cared enough to listen.It's around 99% certain or more that it will fail in the senate. The question posed to the senate is not "did the president do X wrong", but "does the senate feel that what the president might have done wrong is worth removing him from the role". So even if the senate believes all of the charges, even if it proves them, that's not what they are voting on.
and then if they fail it at the senate - He can run again for office in 2020, but with a legal Impeachment on his record; he'd be stupid to run for office again.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.I watched it live. No matter what opinions anyone has, watching a double impeachment live, half of all impeachments votes in our nation's history, and the first for serious offenses ever, is super historic. All impeachments in the past were really fluffy and only one at a time.
I didn't watch it live, i Just read the after-action report.
It was interesting. McCarthy's closing remarks were well read but terrible and garbage and very aggressive. Schiff was eloquent and didn't have to read a false, prepared statement and just talked about their duties. Interesting to see. Best moment was Pelosi losing her shit when Democrats tried to celebrate. That was a look of fury and I've never seen politicians go silent so fast.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.Meh... this was totally expected.. and it's expected to completely fail in the senate.
at least that's the last I've heard when I cared enough to listen.It's around 99% certain or more that it will fail in the senate. The question posed to the senate is not "did the president do X wrong", but "does the senate feel that what the president might have done wrong is worth removing him from the role". So even if the senate believes all of the charges, even if it proves them, that's not what they are voting on.
and then if they fail it at the senate - He can run again for office in 2020, but with a legal Impeachment on his record; he'd be stupid to run for office again.
He can run again regardless. The senate vote in no way would normally bar him from future office. The senate has the power to do that, but it is not a standard part of the vote that they are asked to take, that's an "over and above" action that they could take if they wanted to.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.Meh... this was totally expected.. and it's expected to completely fail in the senate.
at least that's the last I've heard when I cared enough to listen.It's around 99% certain or more that it will fail in the senate. The question posed to the senate is not "did the president do X wrong", but "does the senate feel that what the president might have done wrong is worth removing him from the role". So even if the senate believes all of the charges, even if it proves them, that's not what they are voting on.
It's going to be really interesting what kind of precedent that vote will set. Like you said... this is the first really urgent and serious offense.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
he'd be stupid to run for office again.
You mean he'd be stupid not to. The impeachment process is only to his benefit. And even the Democrats know that and are public about it. The move to impeach makes it even harder for Trump to lose in 2020. He has nothing to lose in this process.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Pelosi losing her shit when Democrats tried to celebrate. That was a look of fury and I've never seen politicians go silent so fast.
Total Mom look. It was hilarious and sets the mood for the rest of the proceedings.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Pelosi losing her shit when Democrats tried to celebrate. That was a look of fury and I've never seen politicians go silent so fast.
Total Mom look. It was hilarious and sets the mood for the rest of the proceedings.
They already made a meme about it. LOL
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.Meh... this was totally expected.. and it's expected to completely fail in the senate.
at least that's the last I've heard when I cared enough to listen.It's around 99% certain or more that it will fail in the senate. The question posed to the senate is not "did the president do X wrong", but "does the senate feel that what the president might have done wrong is worth removing him from the role". So even if the senate believes all of the charges, even if it proves them, that's not what they are voting on.
and then if they fail it at the senate - He can run again for office in 2020, but with a legal Impeachment on his record; he'd be stupid to run for office again.
He can run again regardless. The senate vote in no way would normally bar him from future office. The senate has the power to do that, but it is not a standard part of the vote that they are asked to take, that's an "over and above" action that they could take if they wanted to.
If the Senate does find him guilty he will not be able to run for or hold public office.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
he'd be stupid to run for office again.
You mean he'd be stupid not to. The impeachment process is only to his benefit. And even the Democrats know that and are public about it. The move to impeach makes it even harder for Trump to lose in 2020. He has nothing to lose in this process.
The way media is painting it is if he runs again he will have tarnished his name with that impeachment.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.Meh... this was totally expected.. and it's expected to completely fail in the senate.
at least that's the last I've heard when I cared enough to listen.It's around 99% certain or more that it will fail in the senate. The question posed to the senate is not "did the president do X wrong", but "does the senate feel that what the president might have done wrong is worth removing him from the role". So even if the senate believes all of the charges, even if it proves them, that's not what they are voting on.
It's going to be really interesting what kind of precedent that vote will set. Like you said... this is the first really urgent and serious offense.
It's going to be more codification of corruption in the US. Not Trump corruption, ignore that, but corruption endemic to how the constitution was written that was intentionally moving power to rural white farmers. The senate is not democratic and isn't meant to reflect the will of the people or the nation, unlike the house which is at least representative. Washington DC gets zero influence in this critical vote, Wyoming gets a huge voice. This process highlights how terrible the government design is and how screwed up the founding fathers were.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Watching the live stream from the House of Reps.
the 3rd Impeachment by the House of Reps. in American History was recorded last night.
Safe to say we are witnessing history being made right in front of us.Meh... this was totally expected.. and it's expected to completely fail in the senate.
at least that's the last I've heard when I cared enough to listen.It's around 99% certain or more that it will fail in the senate. The question posed to the senate is not "did the president do X wrong", but "does the senate feel that what the president might have done wrong is worth removing him from the role". So even if the senate believes all of the charges, even if it proves them, that's not what they are voting on.
It's going to be really interesting what kind of precedent that vote will set. Like you said... this is the first really urgent and serious offense.
It's going to be more codification of corruption in the US. Not Trump corruption, ignore that, but corruption endemic to how the constitution was written that was intentionally moving power to rural white farmers. The senate is not democratic and isn't meant to reflect the will of the people or the nation, unlike the house which is at least representative. Washington DC gets zero influence in this critical vote, Wyoming gets a huge voice. This process highlights how terrible the government design is and how screwed up the founding fathers were.
Yep. No argument from me here.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
he'd be stupid to run for office again.
You mean he'd be stupid not to. The impeachment process is only to his benefit. And even the Democrats know that and are public about it. The move to impeach makes it even harder for Trump to lose in 2020. He has nothing to lose in this process.
The way media is painting it is if he runs again he will have tarnished his name with that impeachment.
His name is tarnished, obviously. But it was tarnished before he ran the first time. The more tarnished it is, the more the world sees him as evil and an embarrassment, the better he does. Don't be naive, he won based on that "everyone is against us" feeling in 2016, and the impeachment just strengthens it.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If the Senate does find him guilty he will not be able to run for or hold public office.
They can do that, but they don't automatically.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Pelosi losing her shit when Democrats tried to celebrate. That was a look of fury and I've never seen politicians go silent so fast.
Total Mom look. It was hilarious and sets the mood for the rest of the proceedings.
They already made a meme about it. LOL
It's the best I've ever seen Pelosi. I'm not a fan by any stretch, but that was a good moment for her.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If the Senate does find him guilty he will not be able to run for or hold public office.
They can do that, but they don't automatically.
I quoted the constitution. It's pretty clear that he can't "hold and enjoy any Office of honor". If he's found guilty.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
he'd be stupid to run for office again.
You mean he'd be stupid not to. The impeachment process is only to his benefit. And even the Democrats know that and are public about it. The move to impeach makes it even harder for Trump to lose in 2020. He has nothing to lose in this process.
The way media is painting it is if he runs again he will have tarnished his name with that impeachment.
His name is tarnished, obviously. But it was tarnished before he ran the first time. The more tarnished it is, the more the world sees him as evil and an embarrassment, the better he does. Don't be naive, he won based on that "everyone is against us" feeling in 2016, and the impeachment just strengthens it.
Fair enough
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If the Senate does find him guilty he will not be able to run for or hold public office.
They can do that, but they don't automatically.
I quoted the constitution. It's pretty clear that he can't "hold and enjoy any Office of honor". If he's found guilty.
It's not, it says the limits that they can do, that's all. That that is their ultimate limit doesn't imply that they must even consider going to that limit. If you read the stuff from the constitutional lawyers and historical stuff, it's universal that everyone agrees that that's not the automatic vote and not something that will be considered.
