What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Well we established you can punch Nazis for inciting violence. I think anytime Pai speaks he incites me to violence. So seems like he needs a punching.
He's been needing a good curb-stomping for a while. Still doesn't mean we're allowed to though.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Well we established you can punch Nazis for inciting violence. I think anytime Pai speaks he incites me to violence. So seems like he needs a punching.
He's been needing a good curb-stomping for a while. Still doesn't mean we're allowed to though.
But he incites people to violence!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Well we established you can punch Nazis for inciting violence. I think anytime Pai speaks he incites me to violence. So seems like he needs a punching.
He's been needing a good curb-stomping for a while. Still doesn't mean we're allowed to though.
But he incites people to violence!
You still can't assault people, period. Just like James Alex Fields who drove his car into a crowd of people. He had no right to harm others.
Period.
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He was incited to violence because he's a racist dickhead, does it mean he's allowed to harm others?
If so let him go, he was incited to act that way because of the crowd.
PS: he was clearly wrong in driving his car into a crowd of people, and should be charged appropriately.
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If an IT person keeps praising RAID5 with spinning disk as the way to go because of the storage efficiencies and speed, but we keep telling them that they are setting themselves up for failure with proofs and references and testimonials, then we don't have the right to physically assault them because they will not listen. We have tried to warn them that RAID5 will fail on them and that RAID6 or RAID10 was the way to go, but they will not listen. We must let them go to their own doom and failure.
Same goes for society. If they choose to keep going with this rhetoric to incite violence, then we must let them go to their own failures and separate ourselves from them. If they choose to attack us, then we have a right to self-defense, but not to attack.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
He was incited to violence because he's a racist dickhead, does it mean he's allowed to harm others?
If so let him go, he was incited to act that way because of the crowd.
PS: he was clearly wrong in driving his car into a crowd of people, and should be charged appropriately.
BEING racist isn't incitement. He just did it anyway. Not the same thing.
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@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If an IT person keeps praising RAID5 with spinning disk as the way to go because of the storage efficiencies and speed, but we keep telling them that they are setting themselves up for failure with proofs and references and testimonials, then we don't have the right to physically assault them because they will not listen. We have tried to warn them that RAID5 will fail on them and that RAID6 or RAID10 was the way to go, but they will not listen. We must let them go to their own doom and failure.
That's different. You aren't protecting someone. But if that person was telling people to kill people, I think you'll find you have the right to stop them.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
He was incited to violence because he's a racist dickhead, does it mean he's allowed to harm others?
If so let him go, he was incited to act that way because of the crowd.
PS: he was clearly wrong in driving his car into a crowd of people, and should be charged appropriately.
BEING racist isn't incitement. He just did it anyway. Not the same thing.
You can't help stupid.
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@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Same goes for society. If they choose to keep going with this rhetoric to incite violence, then we must let them go to their own failures and separate ourselves from them. If they choose to attack us, then we have a right to self-defense, but not to attack.
Why must we let them go once we know that the speech is illegal?
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If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
But who has the right to take such action? Average Joe citizens such as you and me individually or the law enforcement/government that people/society has put in charge?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Same goes for society. If they choose to keep going with this rhetoric to incite violence, then we must let them go to their own failures and separate ourselves from them. If they choose to attack us, then we have a right to self-defense, but not to attack.
Why must we let them go once we know that the speech is illegal?
What I mean is groups, not individuals. Sorry, I didn't spell that out.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
I put people in danger all of the time, just by driving a car, people are put in danger.
Should we stop them from driving too?
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@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
But who has the right to take such action? Average Joe citizens such as you and me individually or the law enforcement/government that people/society has put in charge?
Normally both. All people have the right and duty to defend each other. Same as any violent situation. See someone being attacked, you have every right and responsibility to not just call police but assist.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
I put people in danger all of the time, just by driving a car, people are put in danger.
Should we stop them from driving too?
If you are driving drunk (INTENTIONALLY putting people at risk) then yes, I have every right to stop you from driving, forcibly.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
I put people in danger all of the time, just by driving a car, people are put in danger.
Should we stop them from driving too?
If you are driving drunk (INTENTIONALLY putting people at risk) then yes, I have every right to stop you from driving, forcibly.
I never mentioned being drunk, just flat out driving adds risk to people. Safe driving reduces the risks, but there is still added risks.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
I put people in danger all of the time, just by driving a car, people are put in danger.
Should we stop them from driving too?
If you are driving drunk (INTENTIONALLY putting people at risk) then yes, I have every right to stop you from driving, forcibly.
I never mentioned being drunk, just flat out driving adds risk to people. Safe driving reduces the risks, but there is still added risks.
Intention is the important part here. Driving drunk puts people intentionally in danger. Driving in general doesn't necessarily.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
I put people in danger all of the time, just by driving a car, people are put in danger.
Should we stop them from driving too?
If you are driving drunk (INTENTIONALLY putting people at risk) then yes, I have every right to stop you from driving, forcibly.
I never mentioned being drunk, just flat out driving adds risk to people. Safe driving reduces the risks, but there is still added risks.
But if you don't mention being drunk and/or intentionally driving into people it doesn't apply as an analogy. So you have to decide if you want it to have been a random statement that isn't part of the conversation, or you want us to add the missing bits to make it relevant.
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Updating Crestron devices firmware... and working on tickets
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If someone is putting people in danger, there is nary a time you aren't allowed to take action.
I put people in danger all of the time, just by driving a car, people are put in danger.
Should we stop them from driving too?
Just simply living adds risk. Just ask George.
I miss that show.
