Egyptian Repairman Outranks Google
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@IRJ said:
Now here is my question? Who googles google?
More people than you'd think. I see people just type in google in the onmibox or the search box in firefox all the time. Sometimes it's setup for bing or yahoo then they go to google other times they just google google. I guess google.com is hard to remember. But, I know people who even google facebook. It's like you can't get to websites without it.
It's how the browsers are starting to be built. If you use FF, the Address Bar and the Search Box are discreet. But if you use Chrome, they are not. So the idea of the URL and the idea of searching overlap. How do you even search for a URL or how are you sure that you are going to a URL and not searching for a URL? I can tell from behaviour, but average users (non IT) it is really a confusing mess. Google wants people confusing the two as they only make money from searches. So getting people to search well instead of going to a URL is a big deal to them.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@IRJ said:
Now here is my question? Who googles google?
More people than you'd think. I see people just type in google in the onmibox or the search box in firefox all the time. Sometimes it's setup for bing or yahoo then they go to google other times they just google google. I guess google.com is hard to remember. But, I know people who even google facebook. It's like you can't get to websites without it.
It's how the browsers are starting to be built. If you use FF, the Address Bar and the Search Box are discreet. But if you use Chrome, they are not. So the idea of the URL and the idea of searching overlap. How do you even search for a URL or how are you sure that you are going to a URL and not searching for a URL? I can tell from behaviour, but average users (non IT) it is really a confusing mess. Google wants people confusing the two as they only make money from searches. So getting people to search well instead of going to a URL is a big deal to them.
Wow, that's just evil!
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I definitely don't like the fact that chrome's Address bar is a search bar ( and I rarely use the discreet search box on FF - instead I go to google.com) because of my FF behavior I do the same thing in chrome which often leads me to weird or unexpected results. sigh!
But sadly, Scott's right, people don't know what a URL is really anymore. The idea of typing in facebook.com vs facebook is jut foreign to them. This is made worse by apps on mobile devices. So many of the places we visit as webpages on a full computer are apps on mobile devices.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@IRJ said:
Now here is my question? Who googles google?
More people than you'd think. I see people just type in google in the onmibox or the search box in firefox all the time. Sometimes it's setup for bing or yahoo then they go to google other times they just google google. I guess google.com is hard to remember. But, I know people who even google facebook. It's like you can't get to websites without it.
It's how the browsers are starting to be built. If you use FF, the Address Bar and the Search Box are discreet. But if you use Chrome, they are not. So the idea of the URL and the idea of searching overlap. How do you even search for a URL or how are you sure that you are going to a URL and not searching for a URL? I can tell from behaviour, but average users (non IT) it is really a confusing mess. Google wants people confusing the two as they only make money from searches. So getting people to search well instead of going to a URL is a big deal to them.
Wow, that's just evil!
It's just good business. Giving people enough rope to pull themselves out of a hole or hang themselves is never evil. Talking them into hanging themselves might be, but just providing a tool that magnifies success or failure is not. It is the individual's choice to use a rope to help themselves or to harm themselves.
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@Dashrender said:
I definitely don't like the fact that chrome's Address bar is a search bar ( and I rarely use the discreet search box on FF - instead I go to google.com) because of my FF behavior I do the same thing in chrome which often leads me to weird or unexpected results. sigh!
But sadly, Scott's right, people don't know what a URL is really anymore. The idea of typing in facebook.com vs facebook is jut foreign to them. This is made worse by apps on mobile devices. So many of the places we visit as webpages on a full computer are apps on mobile devices.
Yes, I agree that it is poor interface design. It is a big factor in me choosing FF as my main browser over Chrome.
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I use duckduckgo as my Search engine in Firefox.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I use duckduckgo as my Search engine in Firefox.
Me too! Loving DuckDuckGo.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I use duckduckgo as my Search engine in Firefox.
I use it as my default search in Chrome. I wish it did some of the smart search things that Google did... but overall the results are much better.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@IRJ said:
Now here is my question? Who googles google?
More people than you'd think. I see people just type in google in the onmibox or the search box in firefox all the time. Sometimes it's setup for bing or yahoo then they go to google other times they just google google. I guess google.com is hard to remember. But, I know people who even google facebook. It's like you can't get to websites without it.
It's how the browsers are starting to be built. If you use FF, the Address Bar and the Search Box are discreet. But if you use Chrome, they are not. So the idea of the URL and the idea of searching overlap. How do you even search for a URL or how are you sure that you are going to a URL and not searching for a URL? I can tell from behaviour, but average users (non IT) it is really a confusing mess. Google wants people confusing the two as they only make money from searches. So getting people to search well instead of going to a URL is a big deal to them.
Wow, that's just evil!
It's just good business. Giving people enough rope to pull themselves out of a hole or hang themselves is never evil. Talking them into hanging themselves might be, but just providing a tool that magnifies success or failure is not. It is the individual's choice to use a rope to help themselves or to harm themselves.
While I heard and understand what you are saying, considering the audience I don't agree that this is the case. It's clear that the non technical masses will more likely hang themselves than not, yet in this case Google chooses to only do what lines it's own pockets.
Now in writing that I find myself in a personal dilemma because I do believe that for profit businesses have basically one goal - to make money. So to that end Google can do what they are doing and there's nothing illegal about it... but how they are doing it I do believe can and does make them evil and I suppose some would say greedy (though I won't say that because to me, the only way you are truly greedy is if you are breaking the law to enhance yourself, everything short of breaking the law is business savvy).
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I use duckduckgo as my Search engine in Firefox.
I'll have to give this a try.
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@Dashrender said:
While I heard and understand what you are saying, considering the audience I don't agree that this is the case. It's clear that the non technical masses will more likely hang themselves than not, yet in this case Google chooses to only do what lines it's own pockets.
But is that evil? That's like blaming McDonald's for people getting fat or blaming Ruger for people shooting each other. In all three cases, we know that "most" people will hurt themselves. But when is this not the case? And whose fault is it? Should we never offer people what they want and only ever what is good for them? Should we tell the masses that they are too stupid to make basic choices and should be treated as disabled and helpless? Or do we let them hurt or help themselves as they see fit.
The nice thing about giving everyone some rope, is that the only people at fault for hanging themselves is... themselves.
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@Dashrender said:
Now in writing that I find myself in a personal dilemma because I do believe that for profit businesses have basically one goal - to make money.
And keep in mind that the law doesn't state that they "can" make money when they are able, it says that they "must" make money when they are able. And who made that law? The masses as this is a democracy and the system is built by the people.
If you feel that giving people rope when you know that they will hurt themselves is wrong, logically that makes democracy evil as that is the known, expected and only likely outcome of it.
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Don't get me wrong, I think democracy is completely foolish, but only hurts the people who ask for it and benefits those that generally try to avoid it. While I think democracy is a bad idea, I'm also thankful that it generally only hurts those who hurt themselves.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Now in writing that I find myself in a personal dilemma because I do believe that for profit businesses have basically one goal - to make money.
And keep in mind that the law doesn't state that they "can" make money when they are able, it says that they "must" make money when they are able. And who made that law? The masses as this is a democracy and the system is built by the people.
The must? where is that law?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Don't get me wrong, I think democracy is completely foolish, but only hurts the people who ask for it and benefits those that generally try to avoid it. While I think democracy is a bad idea, I'm also thankful that it generally only hurts those who hurt themselves.
So if not democracy, then what?
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As long as humans are in charge of government, it will be corrupt. There is no perfect answer.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Now in writing that I find myself in a personal dilemma because I do believe that for profit businesses have basically one goal - to make money.
And keep in mind that the law doesn't state that they "can" make money when they are able, it says that they "must" make money when they are able. And who made that law? The masses as this is a democracy and the system is built by the people.
The must? where is that law?
Standard public corporation law. It's called "fiduciary responsibility." Shareholders can sue the executive team if they pursue any course of action that is not in the interest of profits. Executives can attempt to claim anything is for profits, of course, but judges decide.
For example, if Microsoft gives free food to employees, shareholders can sue them for wasting money. But Microsoft can respond that free food helps employees focus on work and get more done, thereby making more money.
This is common knowledge that anyone running a public business must know and if you do anything with business, like investing, you need to understand.
Class B corporations, which are very new and only a handful exist, are the first corporation type (except non-profits) where there is a legal means of doing what is right for employees or the environment ahead of profits, if they want. No one knows if it will work in court, though. But Delaware is experimenting with this to allow investors to care about something other than money, legally.
This is why companies like NTG are passionate about being private, but because private firms are not required to think about profits first, by law.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Don't get me wrong, I think democracy is completely foolish, but only hurts the people who ask for it and benefits those that generally try to avoid it. While I think democracy is a bad idea, I'm also thankful that it generally only hurts those who hurt themselves.
So if not democracy, then what?
I'm a monarchist. Democracy, I feel, is about the worst option for exactly the reasons stated - people are shortsighted and self centered. They will sell out the future for the present. They will do reckless things. And they have to vote without being privy to all the necessary information.
Democracy was considered one of the worst possible options even to the American founding fathers, which is why they tried to avoid it. The idea that democracy was a good idea is modern and unsupported by history.
Not that any form is perfect. But some forms rely on the strong, the smart or just the "thrust into it" to be informed and tasked with looking after people. Sometimes it fails. But sometimes it succeeds and history shows it succeeding more than any other form. The greatest global peace, wellbeing and happiest societies are not under democracies. And democracies make the population spend their time worrying about things that they can't contribute too. Many forms allow the populace to focus on work and well being while a few people oversee keeping things working.
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Monarchist - what keeps them in check?
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@Dashrender said:
Monarchist - what keeps them in check?
What keeps the populace in check? Nothing. At least monarchs have a responsibility to their people. A democracy has no moral compass to guide it. Even noblesse oblige is suspended in a democracy.
But modern monarchies have constitutions. Normally too much, IMHO, though. But they exist. But it is more often than not, the checks that are the problems and not the monarchs.
