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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @VoIP_n00b
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      @VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

      Proxmox

      Proxmox is just KVM. But we generally avoid it because we've run into some serious ethics and professionalism problems with the company over on 🌶 community. Super sketchy business practices, very scammy and I'd never let their software or support into my shop.

      The idea is weird.. KVM and LXC on the same box with all this extra layers that are just asking for things to go wrong when you get all the features really without Proxmox involved.

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        VoIP_n00b @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

        Super sketchy business practices, very scammy

        Care to explain?

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        • stacksofplatesS
          stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

          @VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

          Proxmox

          Proxmox is just KVM. But we generally avoid it because we've run into some serious ethics and professionalism problems with the company over on 🌶 community. Super sketchy business practices, very scammy and I'd never let their software or support into my shop.

          The idea is weird.. KVM and LXC on the same box with all this extra layers that are just asking for things to go wrong when you get all the features really without Proxmox involved.

          But you don't get them. ProxMox has a REST API, and a GUI which a lot of places still want to manage your systems.

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          • stacksofplatesS
            stacksofplates @VoIP_n00b
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            @VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

            @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

            Super sketchy business practices, very scammy

            Care to explain?

            Yeah I've never seen the ethics issues that are always mentioned.

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            • black3dynamiteB
              black3dynamite @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

              KVM and LXC on the same box

              I do that with Fedora and Ubuntu too.

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              • black3dynamiteB
                black3dynamite
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                The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.

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                • stacksofplatesS
                  stacksofplates @black3dynamite
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                  @black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                  The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.

                  Yeah. I mean I get that people don't like that, but their product is valid.

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                  • stacksofplatesS
                    stacksofplates
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                    I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.

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                    • black3dynamiteB
                      black3dynamite @stacksofplates
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                      @stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                      @black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                      The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.

                      Yeah. I mean I get that people don't like that, but their product is valid.

                      I agree that the product is valid too. I was using Proxmox along time ago. And once awhile I install it to see any new progress with it.

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                        VoIP_n00b @black3dynamite
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                        @black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                        The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.

                        It’s super easy

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @VoIP_n00b
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                          @VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                          Super sketchy business practices, very scammy

                          Care to explain?

                          They'd send armies of employees to write fake reviews to promote the product. And get really belligerent when caught doing it.

                          That said, it's been a long time and ProxMox having things like built in backups is a big freaking deal.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @VoIP_n00b
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                            @VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                            @black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                            The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.

                            It’s super easy

                            Certainly. The web interface has always been nice. And while I generally see KVM and LXC on the same box as mostly weird, having a single interface for systems that could be either/or is nice. Learn one thing or train people on just one thing (we use both, just not on the same boxes.)

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                              @stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                              I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.

                              I find it surprising that there is much concern for this on smaller scale systems like where this would be common. A really nice feature enhancement, to be sure, but surprised to see it as something many people would care about.

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                                JasGot @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                @JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.

                                KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.

                                Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @JasGot
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                                  @JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                  @JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                  Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.

                                  KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.

                                  Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?

                                  We are using Fedora 31 currently. But are going to test out Ubuntu. Either would really be fine. KVM is something that I want way more than most things to be very current.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @VoIP_n00b
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                                    @VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                    Proxmox

                                    Been a long time. Giving it a try now that they (the company) have been silent and behaving well for so long. Seeing if maybe they just had a bad week or something.

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                                    • stacksofplatesS
                                      stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                      @stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                      I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.

                                      I find it surprising that there is much concern for this on smaller scale systems like where this would be common. A really nice feature enhancement, to be sure, but surprised to see it as something many people would care about.

                                      It would make writing interactions with it much easier and make smaller scale systems much easier to manage and more popular.

                                      Firecracker is a great example of using KVM with an API first mindset.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                                        @stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                        @stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                        I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.

                                        I find it surprising that there is much concern for this on smaller scale systems like where this would be common. A really nice feature enhancement, to be sure, but surprised to see it as something many people would care about.

                                        It would make writing interactions with it much easier and make smaller scale systems much easier to manage and more popular.

                                        Firecracker is a great example of using KVM with an API first mindset.

                                        Oh I like the idea, for sure. And have ideas of where we could use it. But we tend to be an outlyer on that stuff.

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                                        • black3dynamiteB
                                          black3dynamite @JasGot
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                                          @JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                          @JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                          Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.

                                          KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.

                                          Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?

                                          If you want to use Cockpit to manage your KVM, I preferred Fedora just because it always gets the latest version of Cockpit.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
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                                            @black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                            @JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                            @JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:

                                            Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.

                                            KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.

                                            Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?

                                            If you want to use Cockpit to manage your KVM, I preferred Fedora just because it always gets the latest version of Cockpit.

                                            Good point, and certainly part of what we are doing.

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