W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?
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This is one of the many reasons why things like Glassdoor are misleading. On average, Glassdoor and anyplace like that only reports on the numbers of the "fodder pool", not the overall range. So if you look at a shop it might say that $80K is the top pay that you can get there, but there are actual people there earning much more, maybe $140K. But they aren't FTEs and they aren't going to divulge their good deals that violate the FTE rules.
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@Dashrender said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
Apparently that is what Google does - at least according to the few things I've heard. They hire tons of consultants so they can treat them badly - low pay, low benefits, etc.
Which makes no sense because Google already treats their FTEs badly and everyone is under NDA so none of it matters. It's famously the worst place to work in the valley and a huge black mark on your employment record as it is - no one wants to hire people who got stuck at Google. So why they'd need a pool of people to treat even worse when they could just do that to their FTEs makes little sense.
Everything coming from Google (or about it) has to be taken with a grain of salt. What we know is that it's a terrible employer and a terrible place to work and a terrible thing for your resume. What we don't know is how FTE vs. consultant works, exact details, or anything particular about what it is like inside. Likely they do have consultants and treat them badly, but this just implies that they are actually needing to hire people that are so bad, that they aren't good enough to get FTE status at a place no one should even be willing to interview at in the first place.
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@Dashrender said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
So - is all this shit I'm hearing nothing but lies? or are the rules different in CA? or are they just a bad company (OK we already know they are a bad company, so don't dive to deep into that).
CA is different than the rest of US like usual. They are trying to take away contractor roles, and honestly everyone is pissed about it. Contractors like being contractors and companies like paying that way. Leave it to CA to go fuck with people for no reason.
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@IRJ said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
@Dashrender said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
So - is all this shit I'm hearing nothing but lies? or are the rules different in CA? or are they just a bad company (OK we already know they are a bad company, so don't dive to deep into that).
CA is different than the rest of US like usual. They are trying to take away contractor roles, and honestly everyone is pissed about it. Contractors like being contractors and companies like paying that way. Leave it to CA to go fuck with people for no reason.
A major reason that top people often try to avoid CA. CA is one of the worst states for employees. I like a lot of things about CA, but I would never consider living there or working there. I've done a few weeks there at a time, and I'll put up with that, but I'll never be willing to be there long enough to be considered a resident. It's full of nice people and beautiful scenery, but the cost of living and the insane bullshit limitations and shitty employment make it just terrible for real people to live there. I hate what it does to your life. And I'm from NY, so I'm used to heavy regulation, but CA takes it from "a lot" to "life destroying."
I know for a major software firm that we talk about on here, someone had to be stations in Silicon Valley (at insane salary of course) and it was a matter of drawing straws to see who got the shaft and had to move to CA.
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One of the reason that we choose Nicaragua as our focus country, is that we get the polar opposite of California. Not to diss on CA, but their approach is "everyone should be the same, and everything should suck for everyone." It's the worst of all options.
In Nica we are free to be as far from that as possible - free to have any mix of pay and benefits, everyone can be unique and different and we are allowed to be the best employer possible. The government doesn't step in to screw with our employees and make their lives less desirable just because someone in government is jealous of their good fortune or whatever.
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@scottalanmiller said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
when a union gets involved and peoples' values are no longer evaluated
uh oh!
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@scottalanmiller said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
@IRJ said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
I got "page no longer exists."
fixed
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@JasGot said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
@scottalanmiller said in W2, the IRS Test, and Who Do I Work For?:
when a union gets involved and peoples' values are no longer evaluated
uh oh!
It's not a secret, the point of unions was to represent the value of "breathing" rather than specific values. It is what it is, unions benefit those without skills at the expense of those with them. They only make sense in a "fodder" setting where the value of the worker isn't determined by their work individually, but the availability of the entire pool. Unions are just a nice sounding term for "collective bargaining", which of course is itself a polite way of making it crystal clear that the individuals don't have anything special to offer to can't bargain themselves.
