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    • thwrT
      thwr
      last edited by

      Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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        @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

        @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

        @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

        Here's some good additional info... the content may not even be eligible for copyright in the first place:

        https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/

        Yes, that's why we had mentioned questions, answers, and facts. Those things generally aren't eligible for copyright in the first place. It depends, if someone posts an article, a story, or something of that nature it is normally covered. But if someone is asking a question or answering a question or just providing supporting evidence, it's not copyrightable in the first place.

        I don't recall anyone posting any copyrighted material in a SW post, then someone copying it to here. Even if that was ever the case, still, it'd fall under "Fair use".

        Nope, not aware of that ever happening.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @thwr
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          @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

          Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.

          Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.

          What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?

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          • NerdyDadN
            NerdyDad
            last edited by

            Who cares? Does ML have the funds for a lawsuit? No, probably not. Unless we all want to start paying monthly fees for the use of ML, but I would think that would defeat the purpose of ML in the first place.

            They don't want us to have anything to do with them. If that's the case, then let them go burn their boat while they are rowing it.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.

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              • thwrT
                thwr @scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

                Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.

                Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.

                What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?

                Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @thwr
                  last edited by

                  @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?

                  I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    If you are aware of communities where people aren't free to discuss technology and business, by all means cross post here under fair use.

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                    • thwrT
                      thwr @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                      @thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:

                      Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?

                      I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.

                      Just an example, but good point.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        They also tend to be... "I got error X", or just "press button Y". While useful, they tend to be very trivial with information that has little value beyond fixing the current issue.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                          Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.

                          It IS a duty to discuss and protect content in an open and honest discussion.

                          That is NOT the case in OrangeLand. Anyways, there is nothing anybody can do except prove it's fine to do as we were doing, if not then at least post under "Fair use" here.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            Have other communities stopped posting as everyone watches this thread? LOL

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                            • Minion QueenM
                              Minion Queen Banned
                              last edited by Minion Queen

                              Regardless of the rest of the discussion here. The new ML guidelines state that we will not be allowing anyone to post from that specific community any longer. I could care less if you post stuff from here there, but I do know your post will get deleted and possibly be put in account jail as well.

                              They don't want us posting stuff so whatever the reason legal or otherwise is not worth my headache or legal battle. I have never operated this community based on making a big profit off of you guys, so as you can imagine that is a big deal for me to not get sued.

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                              • dbeatoD
                                dbeato @Minion Queen
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                                @minion-queen said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                Regardless of the rest of the discussion here. The new ML guidelines state that we will not be allowing anyone to post from that specific community any longer. I could care less if you post stuff from here there, but I do know your post will get deleted and possibly be put in account jail as well.

                                They don't want us posting stuff so whatever the reason legal or otherwise is not worth my headache or legal battle. I have never operated this community based on making a big profit off of you guys, so as you can imagine that is a big deal for me to not get sued.

                                Aye, Aye captain 🙂

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                                • wirestyle22W
                                  wirestyle22 @Minion Queen
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                                  @minion-queen You support us and we support you

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                                  • Minion QueenM
                                    Minion Queen Banned @wirestyle22
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                                    @wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    @minion-queen You support us and we support you

                                    It's appreciate, immensely

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                                    • PenguinWranglerP
                                      PenguinWrangler @wirestyle22
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                                      @wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                      @minion-queen You support us and we support you

                                      Most definitely agree with this, I appreciate what Mangolassi.it does and for @Minion-Queen. I think what gets us worked up about it is that there is an inherent unjustness to it and it just doesn't sit well. However, like @Minion-Queen said it is not worth our time. They are not worth our time.

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                                      • IRJI
                                        IRJ
                                        last edited by

                                        This isn't right... This is the opposite of how intelligent people think. As professionals we should want to be challenged. Scientists, engineers, IT, etc all do better with challenges. If I am wrong about something point it out!

                                        We are generally talking about making decisions with hundred of thousands or millions of dollars daily. Who the hell wouldnt want to be called out if they are doing something wrong?

                                        So sick of this snowflake mentality where everyone's feelings matter. Fuck your feelings. There is wrong and there is right...

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                                        • Minion QueenM
                                          Minion Queen Banned @PenguinWrangler
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                                          @penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @minion-queen You support us and we support you

                                          Most definitely agree with this, I appreciate what Mangolassi.it does and for @Minion-Queen. I think what gets us worked up about it is that there is an inherent unjustness to it and it just doesn't sit well. However, like @Minion-Queen said it is not worth our time. They are not worth our time.

                                          Thank you very much!!

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                                          • gjacobseG
                                            gjacobse
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                                            Added tags.

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