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    HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?

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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
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      So what's the current verdict?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

        So what's the current verdict?

        He said, she said. Customers are saying it is running without permission, HP says that they were given permission.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

          @dbeato said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

          See more updates on this:
          https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-touchpoint-analytics-controversy

          See also HP on this:
          https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/post/7408989

          So HP claims that everyone opted in to this, which is possible, but goes against what the reports are saying.

          Right - so who do you trust? There have been so many security reports lately, that it seems almost like security research firms are now making headlines to bring attention to their businesses.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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            @dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

            @scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

            @dbeato said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

            See more updates on this:
            https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-touchpoint-analytics-controversy

            See also HP on this:
            https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/post/7408989

            So HP claims that everyone opted in to this, which is possible, but goes against what the reports are saying.

            Right - so who do you trust? There have been so many security reports lately, that it seems almost like security research firms are now making headlines to bring attention to their businesses.

            Except it is also reported by ML community members, whom I trust more than I trust HP.

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            • momurdaM
              momurda @Dashrender
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              I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                @dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                So what's the current verdict?

                He said, she said. Customers are saying it is running without permission, HP says that they were given permission.

                So there's no verdict. At least with Lenovo - they flat out denied it only to have it proven, and then a quiet back-peddle driver update from Lenovo.
                I guess there hasn't been enough time to independently test this yet?

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                • scottalanmillerS
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                  From that article: "However, we checked in Windows 10's Task Manager on our Spectre x360, and it revealed that HP Touchpoint Analytics Client used a measly 24 MB of RAM, while zero burden was placed on CPU and network."

                  Measily 24MB? Um, you can fit nearly a whole modern OS into that size!

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @momurda
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                    @momurda said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                    I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.

                    That, too.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                      @momurda said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                      I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.

                      That, too.

                      This really doesn't compute to me. If you have bad drivers, how can you expect your hardware to perform well?

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                        marcinozga
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                        Trust no one. Especially not a big corporation. HP is to blame, fair and square. If they got permission, it was probably obscured in such a way the end user couldn't tell what the hell it was.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @marcinozga
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                          @marcinozga said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                          Trust no one. Especially not a big corporation. HP is to blame, fair and square. If they got permission, it was probably obscured in such a way the end user couldn't tell what the hell it was.

                          This is no different than any other EULA out there doing the exact same thing.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                            @dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                            @scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                            @momurda said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:

                            I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.

                            That, too.

                            This really doesn't compute to me. If you have bad drivers, how can you expect your hardware to perform well?

                            How often do you have vendors making their own drivers? Sometimes, but not all that often.

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