Really Panda AV?
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@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
@scottalanmiller said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
@stacksofplates said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
You're kidding right?
Windows does this exact same thing today. Updates install silently in the backgroup and HOPE you'll reboot on your own inside of 3 days. If you don't, I think it auto reboots.
So if windows was in the same situation, you'd be just as stuck.
Assuming 'nix has an autoupdate feature - how are reboots handled what that needs to happen?
It's also possible that 'nix also doesn't need to do processing on the way down in a reboot because of architecture differences.
We don't "have" to reboot, we can live kernel patch. Obviously you still want to reboot, but you aren't forced to. And even before that you weren't forced to because that's ridiculous.
you don't have a lot of non technical running Unix based things (chromebooks and android phones not included).
Of course it's ridiculous to have servers auto reboot, but desktops, or normals, much less so because normals just won't bother. Now, that said, HELL YES there should be an option to turn that crap off for those who want to manage this themselves. Sadly those who can't be bothered to do that maintenance will also use it to turn updates off and injure the rest of with their malware infected menaces.
Auto-rebooting is often not as bad, for me, as stored updates that it doesn't bother applying UNTIL I try to shutdown.
As I understand it, only thing that can't be touched while the system is running.
No excuses, just my understanding.For example, MS released 8 MS office updates, no reboot required.
But what could need 10 minutes or more of offline updates - Linux often updates releases with zero offline time like this. What the heck causes such a massive issue?
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@scottalanmiller said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
@scottalanmiller said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
@stacksofplates said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
You're kidding right?
Windows does this exact same thing today. Updates install silently in the backgroup and HOPE you'll reboot on your own inside of 3 days. If you don't, I think it auto reboots.
So if windows was in the same situation, you'd be just as stuck.
Assuming 'nix has an autoupdate feature - how are reboots handled what that needs to happen?
It's also possible that 'nix also doesn't need to do processing on the way down in a reboot because of architecture differences.
We don't "have" to reboot, we can live kernel patch. Obviously you still want to reboot, but you aren't forced to. And even before that you weren't forced to because that's ridiculous.
you don't have a lot of non technical running Unix based things (chromebooks and android phones not included).
Of course it's ridiculous to have servers auto reboot, but desktops, or normals, much less so because normals just won't bother. Now, that said, HELL YES there should be an option to turn that crap off for those who want to manage this themselves. Sadly those who can't be bothered to do that maintenance will also use it to turn updates off and injure the rest of with their malware infected menaces.
Auto-rebooting is often not as bad, for me, as stored updates that it doesn't bother applying UNTIL I try to shutdown.
As I understand it, only thing that can't be touched while the system is running.
No excuses, just my understanding.For example, MS released 8 MS office updates, no reboot required.
But what could need 10 minutes or more of offline updates - Linux often updates releases with zero offline time like this. What the heck causes such a massive issue?
I have often wondered this myself.
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@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
@scottalanmiller said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
@scottalanmiller said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
@stacksofplates said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
You're kidding right?
Windows does this exact same thing today. Updates install silently in the backgroup and HOPE you'll reboot on your own inside of 3 days. If you don't, I think it auto reboots.
So if windows was in the same situation, you'd be just as stuck.
Assuming 'nix has an autoupdate feature - how are reboots handled what that needs to happen?
It's also possible that 'nix also doesn't need to do processing on the way down in a reboot because of architecture differences.
We don't "have" to reboot, we can live kernel patch. Obviously you still want to reboot, but you aren't forced to. And even before that you weren't forced to because that's ridiculous.
you don't have a lot of non technical running Unix based things (chromebooks and android phones not included).
Of course it's ridiculous to have servers auto reboot, but desktops, or normals, much less so because normals just won't bother. Now, that said, HELL YES there should be an option to turn that crap off for those who want to manage this themselves. Sadly those who can't be bothered to do that maintenance will also use it to turn updates off and injure the rest of with their malware infected menaces.
Auto-rebooting is often not as bad, for me, as stored updates that it doesn't bother applying UNTIL I try to shutdown.
As I understand it, only thing that can't be touched while the system is running.
No excuses, just my understanding.For example, MS released 8 MS office updates, no reboot required.
But what could need 10 minutes or more of offline updates - Linux often updates releases with zero offline time like this. What the heck causes such a massive issue?
I have often wondered this myself.
I can theorize reasons, but they are weird and why does Linux and every other OS not need this.
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@Dashrender Iphone does not force to install iOS updates at all, they just notify you all the time of the update being ready.
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@Dashrender Until patches are released over the traveling time and you are using a cellular connection
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@Dashrender No Windows 10 is using Active Hours (Although it was not honored by the last Tuesday patch, no matter what Windows 10 version 1607 or 1703).
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-restart
You can delay a restart up to 14 days
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I didn't say how long before reboot because I knew they changed it, just didn't recall what it was now.
But you do have to put effort into delaying it, which someone running through the airport will likely miss.
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@Dashrender Yeah, it is a lot of effort... I mean you got to find this stuff and plan it and test it because if not you get lots of complaints...
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@dbeato said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender Yeah, it is a lot of effort... I mean you got to find this stuff and plan it and test it because if not you get lots of complaints...
Huh?
Are not talking about home users?
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@Dashrender So say you are supporting home users (Which in my case is only a handful), either you have to use the registry and then use active hours manually on the computers or show the users how to install updates manually. Worst if Windows is a Home Edition.
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@dbeato said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender Iphone does not force to install iOS updates at all, they just notify you all the time of the update being ready.
Yeah. And really annoyingly. Lol. Better, but not good
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@Dashrender said in Really Panda AV?:
I didn't say how long before reboot because I knew they changed it, just didn't recall what it was now.
But you do have to put effort into delaying it, which someone running through the airport will likely miss.
And it is a constant thing.... checking and modifying behavior for life's activities that don't easily allow for that.
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@dbeato said in Really Panda AV?:
@Dashrender Yeah, it is a lot of effort... I mean you got to find this stuff and plan it and test it because if not you get lots of complaints...
Yeah. And that's the rub.... nearly always the answer with Windows is that you need all this extra effort and all kinds of specialty knowledge to get it to work well. It's not for normal users.
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I've had a Windows 10 instance with insane resources and trying to reboot for 35 minutes now, can't even shut down. OMG Windows blows. How can a vanilla install be SO bad?
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Still rebooting, no signs of it being able to do it.
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@scottalanmiller With an SSD and Virtual Machines running?
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Just rebooted.
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@dbeato said in Really Panda AV?:
@scottalanmiller With an SSD and Virtual Machines running?
It's a VM running on top of 11,000 IOPS on a huge Intel XEON proc and gobs of RAM and the cluster is basically idle.
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@scottalanmiller Very weird...
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Took over 50 minutes just ot reboot, no updates applied, no updates mentioned in the reboot warning.
