Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
The repos maintain versions of support packages just like they always do
Ya if the packages were there to begin with.
Nope, it literally works the same. You do "yum install mongodb" and it grabs anything that it needs from the RHEL/CentOS repos. That's the reason that we are so adamant about using repos like this, the support just keeps working. Literally the only package that you need from the MongoDB project is MongoDB. Once you add that repo, installs work exactly like if you were installing the old MongoDB that is included in RHEL. Dependencies are all handles for you just the same.
Not just MongoDB obviously.
You do "yum install mongodb" and it grabs anything that it needs from the RHEL/CentOS repos.
Again, only if the dependencies exist for your OS. There are times where the 3rd party repo is further ahead and requires packages that don't exist in the standard repos.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
His needs were Chrome. You told him to stick with the OS repos. The whole point I'm making is that for a beginner, if you can install one package and it adds the correct repos, do it that way. Having them import gpg keys and manually adding repos is much harder than installing the package they give you that does all of that for you.
I see what you are saying. But didn't that one package fail? I was not aware, however, that it would add repos on its own. But what we have been trying to get him to do is to simply stick with what the OS has unless otherwise needed. Originally he had a laundry list of extra things. But the end, he was down to zero (or possibly Chrome, we still aren't totally sure.)
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Again, only if the dependencies exist for your OS.
But this is a repo for that specific OS. So of course they all exist. You could say the same thing about the EPEL or even CentOS' own packages. But they are all three designed to rely on the packages that are there. Sure, any repo could be broken, that's a different issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
His needs were Chrome. You told him to stick with the OS repos. The whole point I'm making is that for a beginner, if you can install one package and it adds the correct repos, do it that way. Having them import gpg keys and manually adding repos is much harder than installing the package they give you that does all of that for you.
I see what you are saying. But didn't that one package fail? I was not aware, however, that it would add repos on its own. But what we have been trying to get him to do is to simply stick with what the OS has unless otherwise needed. Originally he had a laundry list of extra things. But the end, he was down to zero (or possibly Chrome, we still aren't totally sure.)
Ya that was my whole point to this. Chrome adds the repos for you. I think he did have an issue, but apt-get install -f fixes the dependencies. That's still 100% easier than manually adding repos for someone who doesn't know how to do it.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
There are times where the 3rd party repo is further ahead and requires packages that don't exist in the standard repos.
Sure. But that's just a bad repo. In the same vein any given package might be packaged incorrectly and not work. In all cases we have to assume that what we are installing actually works.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Again, only if the dependencies exist for your OS.
But this is a repo for that specific OS. So of course they all exist. You could say the same thing about the EPEL or even CentOS' own packages. But they are all three designed to rely on the packages that are there. Sure, any repo could be broken, that's a different issue.
Ansible was what I was thinking of. If you clone from Github, it required a version of Python that older versions of RHEL didnt' have. But this is all besides the point anyway.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Ya that was my whole point to this. Chrome adds the repos for you. I think he did have an issue, but apt-get install -f fixes the dependencies. That's still 100% easier than manually adding repos for someone who doesn't know how to do it.
Yes, what I think we wanted was for him to just stick to Chromium and FF. Both are in the OS repos and don't require mucking about with Google's additional repos. He just wants to do Android development and someone gave him a bad list of things to download that aren't what he needed.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Again, only if the dependencies exist for your OS.
But this is a repo for that specific OS. So of course they all exist. You could say the same thing about the EPEL or even CentOS' own packages. But they are all three designed to rely on the packages that are there. Sure, any repo could be broken, that's a different issue.
Ansible was what I was thinking of. If you clone from Github, it required a version of Python that older versions of RHEL didnt' have. But this is all besides the point anyway.
That would make sense. GIT doesn't handle dependencies, at all. That's up for you to provide whatever is needed. That's not extended the YUM repos, though. So a very different thing. And not something that I recommended any beginner or desktop user to be doing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Again, only if the dependencies exist for your OS.
But this is a repo for that specific OS. So of course they all exist. You could say the same thing about the EPEL or even CentOS' own packages. But they are all three designed to rely on the packages that are there. Sure, any repo could be broken, that's a different issue.
Ansible was what I was thinking of. If you clone from Github, it required a version of Python that older versions of RHEL didnt' have. But this is all besides the point anyway.
That would make sense. GIT doesn't handle dependencies, at all. That's up for you to provide whatever is needed. That's not extended the YUM repos, though. So a very different thing. And not something that I recommended any beginner or desktop user to be doing.
Right, I just said MongoDB as an example. I didn't literally mean their YUM repo had dependency issues, just that they can occur between repos.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Ya that was my whole point to this. Chrome adds the repos for you. I think he did have an issue, but apt-get install -f fixes the dependencies. That's still 100% easier than manually adding repos for someone who doesn't know how to do it.
Yes, what I think we wanted was for him to just stick to Chromium and FF. Both are in the OS repos and don't require mucking about with Google's additional repos. He just wants to do Android development and someone gave him a bad list of things to download that aren't what he needed.
Sure, but we didn't find out until later it was for Android development. I maybe gave too much credit thinking he needed Chrome for things like Netflix (one of the only reasons I use it).
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Here are the original statements. The context of us telling him to stick with the repos was to keep things simple and just use Chromium. Due to what we believed his needs were from elsewhere, we felt that using Chromium would make sense. But he got Chrome working, so that is good.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Ya that was my whole point to this. Chrome adds the repos for you. I think he did have an issue, but apt-get install -f fixes the dependencies. That's still 100% easier than manually adding repos for someone who doesn't know how to do it.
Yes, what I think we wanted was for him to just stick to Chromium and FF. Both are in the OS repos and don't require mucking about with Google's additional repos. He just wants to do Android development and someone gave him a bad list of things to download that aren't what he needed.
Sure, but we didn't find out until later it was for Android development. I maybe gave too much credit thinking he needed Chrome for things like Netflix (one of the only reasons I use it).
That's why I have it, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Ya that was my whole point to this. Chrome adds the repos for you. I think he did have an issue, but apt-get install -f fixes the dependencies. That's still 100% easier than manually adding repos for someone who doesn't know how to do it.
Yes, what I think we wanted was for him to just stick to Chromium and FF. Both are in the OS repos and don't require mucking about with Google's additional repos. He just wants to do Android development and someone gave him a bad list of things to download that aren't what he needed.
Sure, but we didn't find out until later it was for Android development. I maybe gave too much credit thinking he needed Chrome for things like Netflix (one of the only reasons I use it).
That's why I have it, too.
Right that's the only reason I know of why anyone uses it over Chromium. So again, maybe giving too much credit.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Ya that was my whole point to this. Chrome adds the repos for you. I think he did have an issue, but apt-get install -f fixes the dependencies. That's still 100% easier than manually adding repos for someone who doesn't know how to do it.
Yes, what I think we wanted was for him to just stick to Chromium and FF. Both are in the OS repos and don't require mucking about with Google's additional repos. He just wants to do Android development and someone gave him a bad list of things to download that aren't what he needed.
Sure, but we didn't find out until later it was for Android development. I maybe gave too much credit thinking he needed Chrome for things like Netflix (one of the only reasons I use it).
That's why I have it, too.
Right that's the only reason I know of why anyone uses it over Chromium. So again, maybe giving too much credit.
Well we know that he doesn't have Internet access on the laptop and has to build it offline, so not likely to be any streaming service.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Ya that was my whole point to this. Chrome adds the repos for you. I think he did have an issue, but apt-get install -f fixes the dependencies. That's still 100% easier than manually adding repos for someone who doesn't know how to do it.
Yes, what I think we wanted was for him to just stick to Chromium and FF. Both are in the OS repos and don't require mucking about with Google's additional repos. He just wants to do Android development and someone gave him a bad list of things to download that aren't what he needed.
Sure, but we didn't find out until later it was for Android development. I maybe gave too much credit thinking he needed Chrome for things like Netflix (one of the only reasons I use it).
That's why I have it, too.
Right that's the only reason I know of why anyone uses it over Chromium. So again, maybe giving too much credit.
Well we know that he doesn't have Internet access on the laptop and has to build it offline, so not likely to be any streaming service.
Right, until he gets the internet working. But he already has Firefox (default on every distro I've ever used, unless it's Midori) so I that was the only reason I could think of having Chrome.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Right, until he gets the internet working.
No, it's not that. The wifi is just for the initial setup. The laptop is actually going to be used offline. He has many posts going back for months about this. He's stuck working in an offline situation all of the time.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
But he already has Firefox (default on every distro I've ever used, unless it's Midori) so I that was the only reason I could think of having Chrome.
My guess was that it was for Android development tools to work. Or just a random requirement from the same guy that told him to get the Windows versions of Java, Netbeans, VMware Workstation, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Right, until he gets the internet working.
No, it's not that. The wifi is just for the initial setup. The laptop is actually going to be used offline. He has many posts going back for months about this. He's stuck working in an offline situation all of the time.
Ah I didn't see those. Well then never mind. I thought he was just offline because he didn't get the cell dongle working.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
Right, until he gets the internet working.
No, it's not that. The wifi is just for the initial setup. The laptop is actually going to be used offline. He has many posts going back for months about this. He's stuck working in an offline situation all of the time.
Ah I didn't see those. Well then never mind. I thought he was just offline because he didn't get the cell dongle working.
That's his reason for the moment. But the dongle was after we told him that having some way to get Internet would make installing drivers easier because he was doing complicated things offline making them so much worse.
