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    • bbigfordB
      bbigford @TAHIN
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      @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

      I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

      I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

      Haha ooooh I am SO done with VMM. I tore that stuff out months ago. Never again.

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      • bbigfordB
        bbigford @TAHIN
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        @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

        I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

        I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

        Oh and ripping it out was fun... Want to uninstall the agent? Yeah you'll have to reboot those devices. Oh you have 75 production servers? Yeah they all have to be rebooted. Lol awesome, saved that for monthly updates/reboots.

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          Jason Banned @thwr
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          @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

          Hehe. My point was just that MS did a very large step away from the SMB with SC2012. No more simple workgroup edition, complicated licensing and so on.

          5nine can fill that gap, IMHO.

          They've been gone from enterprise day one. System Center is junk. No one at the enterprise level uses it.

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          • thwrT
            thwr @TAHIN
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            @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

            I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

            I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

            I've tried that, but the free version is very limited and you can only manage a single host. But what I saw is just what I expected: All the functionality of Hyper-V Manager and Failovercluster-Manager, some stats and a bit on top. Just what you need. Saw quite a few people calling it the "vCenter for Hyper-V".

            Request a fully functioning demo maybe.

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            • thwrT
              thwr @bbigford
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              @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

              @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

              I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

              I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

              Haha ooooh I am SO done with VMM. I tore that stuff out months ago. Never again.

              Same here. I'll buy 5nine Manager when I finally get a budget clearance...

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              • thwrT
                thwr @Jason
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                @Jason said in MS System Center Licensing:

                @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

                Hehe. My point was just that MS did a very large step away from the SMB with SC2012. No more simple workgroup edition, complicated licensing and so on.

                5nine can fill that gap, IMHO.

                They've been gone from enterprise day one. System Center is junk. No one at the enterprise level uses it.

                It looked like a valid option when I bought it (and honestly, license costs are nothing more than a joke for us because we're on a very big contract - and on top of that public EDU)

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                • bbigfordB
                  bbigford @thwr
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                  @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

                  @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                  @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

                  I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

                  I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

                  Haha ooooh I am SO done with VMM. I tore that stuff out months ago. Never again.

                  Same here. I'll buy 5nine Manager when I finally get a budget clearance...

                  I looked into a few months ago when I was getting away from VMM but never returned. What sets it apart from just loading up all your hosts into one Hyper-V console? Offer any additional features or flexibility?

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                  • thwrT
                    thwr @bbigford
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                    @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                    @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

                    @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                    @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

                    I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

                    I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

                    Haha ooooh I am SO done with VMM. I tore that stuff out months ago. Never again.

                    Same here. I'll buy 5nine Manager when I finally get a budget clearance...

                    I looked into a few months ago when I was getting away from VMM but never returned. What sets it apart from just loading up all your hosts into one Hyper-V console? Offer any additional features or flexibility?

                    Ever tried to manage hosts that are not part of your forest? A second cluster maybe? Possible, but PITA, even with 'improved' client on Windows 10.

                    http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-product.aspx#features

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                    • bbigfordB
                      bbigford @thwr
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                      @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

                      @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                      @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

                      @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                      @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

                      I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

                      I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

                      Haha ooooh I am SO done with VMM. I tore that stuff out months ago. Never again.

                      Same here. I'll buy 5nine Manager when I finally get a budget clearance...

                      I looked into a few months ago when I was getting away from VMM but never returned. What sets it apart from just loading up all your hosts into one Hyper-V console? Offer any additional features or flexibility?

                      Ever tried to manage hosts that are not part of your forest? <------------ No, can you give me a scenario where you'd want that?
                      A second cluster maybe? <----------------- You mean like another host of VMs? I just connect to all the hosts in my forest with Hyper-V Manager (there's about 10-12 hosts).

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                      • thwrT
                        thwr @bbigford
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                        @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                        @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

                        @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                        @thwr said in MS System Center Licensing:

                        @BBigford said in MS System Center Licensing:

                        @TAHIN said in MS System Center Licensing:

                        I'm not a fan of VMM. Literally every time I log in there's something about he console I have to fix. Or the constant WMI queries to the hosts killing my backups. The virtual switch/logical switch/logical network concept is a overly complicated knockoff of VMware distributed switches.

                        I am very interested in 5nine Manager however. Have you run a demo in your environment?

                        Haha ooooh I am SO done with VMM. I tore that stuff out months ago. Never again.

                        Same here. I'll buy 5nine Manager when I finally get a budget clearance...

                        I looked into a few months ago when I was getting away from VMM but never returned. What sets it apart from just loading up all your hosts into one Hyper-V console? Offer any additional features or flexibility?

                        Ever tried to manage hosts that are not part of your forest? <------------ No, can you give me a scenario where you'd want that?
                        A second cluster maybe? <----------------- You mean like another host of VMs? I just connect to all the hosts in my forest with Hyper-V Manager (there's about 10-12 hosts).

                        Well, I got 2 clusters, 3 hosts at my main office and 2 hosts at a branch site. That's a scenario for example. I will probably also manage a host in a shared office in the future which won't belong to my forest.

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                        • T
                          TAHIN
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                          We have 3 clusters in 2 sites. SAN backends, and somewhat complicated networking to accommodate iSCSI HA. We got into VMM for it's logical switches (which are ugh), and for VM template deployment. I see that 5nine can use templates created from VMM and has the same sort of library idea. Does it allow for light touch deployment like answer files? Also, the ability to move VM's between clusters can't be done without VMM. Can 5nine do that?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            Anyone know someone from 5Nine that could jump in and answer some questions?

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                            • thwrT
                              thwr @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in MS System Center Licensing:

                              Anyone know someone from 5Nine that could jump in and answer some questions?

                              I know someone from over at SW. Will send him a mail tomorrow.

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                              • AlexKA
                                AlexK
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                                Scott, Thorsten, thank you for bringing my attention to this topic.

                                @TAHIN answering your questions:

                                • 5nine Manager uses Resources Library concept, that allows you to convert Virtual Machines to templates and store them there, as well as ISO and VHDX files. Creating new virtual machine out of existing virtual machine is also a very convenient option. Basically Resources Library is a shared location, accessible from all of your Hyper-V hosts.
                                • Moving virtual machines between clusters is possible in three quick steps:
                                1. Remove VM from a cluster with 2 clicks:
                                  0_1467962422607_removefromcluster_option.png
                                2. Use Shared Nothing Live Migration
                                3. Add VM to a cluster, using the same right-click menu in 2 clicks.

                                Thanks,
                                Alex

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                                • thwrT
                                  thwr @AlexK
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                                  @AlexK said in MS System Center Licensing:

                                  Oh damnit, sorry. Totally forgot to drop you a mail Alex.

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                                  • AlexKA
                                    AlexK @thwr
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                                    @thwr no worries, Thorsten)

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                                    • T
                                      TAHIN
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                                      Thanks for the info! I'll surely look this up during our next refresh.

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