Windows 7/8.1 EOL
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle#Supporting-the-latest-processor
So what though?
Assuming that the predecessor for Skylake comes out before July 2017, then MS should release support for it as well, though it's possible they won't. You'll have all the support you need for Skylake long before the 2017 deadline.
It's not like on the deadline they are going to roll out a patch that removes the support they have already created.
Skylake won't be getting any development at all from Intel, let alone MS, for over a year before this deadline. Heck, is Intel doing any development now with regards to Skylake? It's already made, being sold. It's in the pipe. I suppose they could make more chips different speeds based on the tech, and while doing so add in more features - but can they really? Would it be Skylake anymore if they add new features not already listed as part of Skylake?
I'm stating that the vendor isn't stating anything incorrect. They're not lying. This is what Microsoft is actually stating. In effect Microsoft is stating that they will not release security patches for non Win10 versions that are running on the listed processors. Yes, your computer will not cease working, but you will not be patched.
I suppose, as Scott loves to point out, and I lead to in one of my earlier posts, they are skirting as close to the edge with their information as possible.
I'm genuinely curious - when was the last time that MS released a security update for a chipset/processor? And even when they do, how often does that really happen? And lastly, how often does it happen after the processor is 1+ years old?
It sounds like you have some misunderstanding about their article. They will not be releasing OS patches for older operating systems in hardware that runs specific processors or newer. The processor isn't what is being patched. It is the delineating factor in whether or not they will be patching the OS.
What do you mean?
Are you saying that Windows 7 running on Skylake will not be able to install the security patches that are released after July of 2017? That would be madness.
But that is exactly what this letter is implying.@IRJ said:
So what? As of July 17, 2017, if your organization is still running Windows 7 or 8.1 on a 6th generation or newer Intel processor, you will no longer receive regular security patches and support.
If I'm running Windows 7 or 8.1 on 6th gen or newer as of that date, I won't get any more security update - Yeah I just don't believe it.
It's not that they won't patch them, it's that it is not supported. If there is an issue with that setup, it's not something that MS committed to support.
But that means they don't have to patch them, either?
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I also have a feeling Microsoft will extend the free upgrade to Windows 10 past January pretty much indefinitely.
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@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle#Supporting-the-latest-processor
So what though?
Assuming that the predecessor for Skylake comes out before July 2017, then MS should release support for it as well, though it's possible they won't. You'll have all the support you need for Skylake long before the 2017 deadline.
It's not like on the deadline they are going to roll out a patch that removes the support they have already created.
Skylake won't be getting any development at all from Intel, let alone MS, for over a year before this deadline. Heck, is Intel doing any development now with regards to Skylake? It's already made, being sold. It's in the pipe. I suppose they could make more chips different speeds based on the tech, and while doing so add in more features - but can they really? Would it be Skylake anymore if they add new features not already listed as part of Skylake?
I'm stating that the vendor isn't stating anything incorrect. They're not lying. This is what Microsoft is actually stating. In effect Microsoft is stating that they will not release security patches for non Win10 versions that are running on the listed processors. Yes, your computer will not cease working, but you will not be patched.
I suppose, as Scott loves to point out, and I lead to in one of my earlier posts, they are skirting as close to the edge with their information as possible.
I'm genuinely curious - when was the last time that MS released a security update for a chipset/processor? And even when they do, how often does that really happen? And lastly, how often does it happen after the processor is 1+ years old?
It sounds like you have some misunderstanding about their article. They will not be releasing OS patches for older operating systems in hardware that runs specific processors or newer. The processor isn't what is being patched. It is the delineating factor in whether or not they will be patching the OS.
What do you mean?
Are you saying that Windows 7 running on Skylake will not be able to install the security patches that are released after July of 2017? That would be madness.
But that is exactly what this letter is implying.@IRJ said:
So what? As of July 17, 2017, if your organization is still running Windows 7 or 8.1 on a 6th generation or newer Intel processor, you will no longer receive regular security patches and support.
If I'm running Windows 7 or 8.1 on 6th gen or newer as of that date, I won't get any more security update - Yeah I just don't believe it.
It's not that they won't patch them, it's that it is not supported. If there is an issue with that setup, it's not something that MS committed to support.
But that means they don't have to patch them, either?
Correct, they have no requirement to do so and anyone relying on that has no recourse. It's really power for IT pros to go back to businesses and say "well, this is where the industry stops supporting what you are doing... if we keep not updating, we have no one to rely on".
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@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle#Supporting-the-latest-processor
So what though?
Assuming that the predecessor for Skylake comes out before July 2017, then MS should release support for it as well, though it's possible they won't. You'll have all the support you need for Skylake long before the 2017 deadline.
It's not like on the deadline they are going to roll out a patch that removes the support they have already created.
Skylake won't be getting any development at all from Intel, let alone MS, for over a year before this deadline. Heck, is Intel doing any development now with regards to Skylake? It's already made, being sold. It's in the pipe. I suppose they could make more chips different speeds based on the tech, and while doing so add in more features - but can they really? Would it be Skylake anymore if they add new features not already listed as part of Skylake?
I'm stating that the vendor isn't stating anything incorrect. They're not lying. This is what Microsoft is actually stating. In effect Microsoft is stating that they will not release security patches for non Win10 versions that are running on the listed processors. Yes, your computer will not cease working, but you will not be patched.
I suppose, as Scott loves to point out, and I lead to in one of my earlier posts, they are skirting as close to the edge with their information as possible.
I'm genuinely curious - when was the last time that MS released a security update for a chipset/processor? And even when they do, how often does that really happen? And lastly, how often does it happen after the processor is 1+ years old?
It sounds like you have some misunderstanding about their article. They will not be releasing OS patches for older operating systems in hardware that runs specific processors or newer. The processor isn't what is being patched. It is the delineating factor in whether or not they will be patching the OS.
What do you mean?
Are you saying that Windows 7 running on Skylake will not be able to install the security patches that are released after July of 2017? That would be madness.
But that is exactly what this letter is implying.@IRJ said:
So what? As of July 17, 2017, if your organization is still running Windows 7 or 8.1 on a 6th generation or newer Intel processor, you will no longer receive regular security patches and support.
If I'm running Windows 7 or 8.1 on 6th gen or newer as of that date, I won't get any more security update - Yeah I just don't believe it.
That is correct. Here is the original blog post from Terry Myerson (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/ near the bottom):
"Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises."
"Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon."
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@Kelly said:
That is correct.
I'm sorry, what is correct?
"Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises."
We are already in the phase for Windows 7 where all Microsoft is required to supply are security updates. So they'll drop the reliability and compatibility options for new things, but that doesn't mean that a new security update wouldn't work on Skylake - at best, as Scott is saying is that maybe - maybe if you have a problem with a security patch and you're on a system with Skylake, MS won't give you support.
But the chances are that it will work just fine.
As for supported versus not supported - when was the last time anyone here called MS for support on a desktop client? Other than asking for a download from a KB I found myself - I've never called them for support.
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@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
That is correct.
I'm sorry, what is correct?
"Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises."
We are already in the phase for Windows 7 where all Microsoft is required to supply are security updates. So they'll drop the reliability and compatibility options for new things, but that doesn't mean that a new security update wouldn't work on Skylake - at best, as Scott is saying is that maybe - maybe if you have a problem with a security patch and you're on a system with Skylake, MS won't give you support.
But the chances are that it will work just fine.
As for supported versus not supported - when was the last time anyone here called MS for support on a desktop client? Other than asking for a download from a KB I found myself - I've never called them for support.
You asked a question and I was responding to it with my "You are correct." I hope you are right. I'm just reading their statements, and proceeding accordingly. I am going to proceed on the assumption that any hardware running SkyLake 6th gen or newer needs to be running Windows 10. You might be able to still get patches, from a business perspective it isn't worth the risk in my mind.
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I'm with you - one of the big reasons for my other thread Should I upgrade.
I think everyone that can should upgrade now. Do not wait.
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@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
That is correct.
I'm sorry, what is correct?
"Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises."
We are already in the phase for Windows 7 where all Microsoft is required to supply are security updates. So they'll drop the reliability and compatibility options for new things, but that doesn't mean that a new security update wouldn't work on Skylake - at best, as Scott is saying is that maybe - maybe if you have a problem with a security patch and you're on a system with Skylake, MS won't give you support.
But the chances are that it will work just fine.
As for supported versus not supported - when was the last time anyone here called MS for support on a desktop client? Other than asking for a download from a KB I found myself - I've never called them for support.
You asked a question and I was responding to it with my "You are correct." I hope you are right. I'm just reading their statements, and proceeding accordingly. I am going to proceed on the assumption that any hardware running SkyLake 6th gen or newer needs to be running Windows 10. You might be able to still get patches, from a business perspective it isn't worth the risk in my mind.
Microsoft could easily not give any updates to hardware running Skylake just as easy. If skylake=no updates is entirely possible and easy enough for Microsoft to implement.
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@IRJ said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
That is correct.
I'm sorry, what is correct?
"Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises."
We are already in the phase for Windows 7 where all Microsoft is required to supply are security updates. So they'll drop the reliability and compatibility options for new things, but that doesn't mean that a new security update wouldn't work on Skylake - at best, as Scott is saying is that maybe - maybe if you have a problem with a security patch and you're on a system with Skylake, MS won't give you support.
But the chances are that it will work just fine.
As for supported versus not supported - when was the last time anyone here called MS for support on a desktop client? Other than asking for a download from a KB I found myself - I've never called them for support.
You asked a question and I was responding to it with my "You are correct." I hope you are right. I'm just reading their statements, and proceeding accordingly. I am going to proceed on the assumption that any hardware running SkyLake 6th gen or newer needs to be running Windows 10. You might be able to still get patches, from a business perspective it isn't worth the risk in my mind.
Microsoft could easily not give any updates to hardware running Skylake just as easy. If skylake=no updates is entirely possible and easy enough for Microsoft to implement.
This would be unprecedented and probably cause reasons for lawsuits. MS has claimed that they will provide security updates until 2020. While it's true, that maybe they could do this, I just don't see it happening.
What I do see happening is Windows 7/8.1 not supporting all features in Kaby Lake. But again, assuming the typical Intel backward compatibility paradigm, while new features might not work, I would expect that you could install them on Kaby Lake.
Of course, we're running into architectural changes such as UEFI that older OSes have a hard if not impossible time dealing with.
This is probably an additional root why MS is making these statements. Windows 7 does not deal well with UEFI, MS had to do some substantial coding to make it work so it's been reported, I can understand their desire to not do that for any more new chips.
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@Dashrender said:
@IRJ said:
@Kelly said:
@Dashrender said:
@Kelly said:
That is correct.
I'm sorry, what is correct?
"Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises."
We are already in the phase for Windows 7 where all Microsoft is required to supply are security updates. So they'll drop the reliability and compatibility options for new things, but that doesn't mean that a new security update wouldn't work on Skylake - at best, as Scott is saying is that maybe - maybe if you have a problem with a security patch and you're on a system with Skylake, MS won't give you support.
But the chances are that it will work just fine.
As for supported versus not supported - when was the last time anyone here called MS for support on a desktop client? Other than asking for a download from a KB I found myself - I've never called them for support.
You asked a question and I was responding to it with my "You are correct." I hope you are right. I'm just reading their statements, and proceeding accordingly. I am going to proceed on the assumption that any hardware running SkyLake 6th gen or newer needs to be running Windows 10. You might be able to still get patches, from a business perspective it isn't worth the risk in my mind.
Microsoft could easily not give any updates to hardware running Skylake just as easy. If skylake=no updates is entirely possible and easy enough for Microsoft to implement.
This would be unprecedented and probably cause reasons for lawsuits. MS has claimed that they will provide security updates until 2020. While it's true, that maybe they could do this, I just don't see it happening.
What I do see happening is Windows 7/8.1 not supporting all features in Kaby Lake. But again, assuming the typical Intel backward compatibility paradigm, while new features might not work, I would expect that you could install them on Kaby Lake.
Of course, we're running into architectural changes such as UEFI that older OSes have a hard if not impossible time dealing with.
This is probably an additional root why MS is making these statements. Windows 7 does not deal well with UEFI, MS had to do some substantial coding to make it work so it's been reported, I can understand their desire to not do that for any more new chips.
How many unprecedented things have seen this year and last year? It really wouldn't surprise me. If you want to move everyone to a new OS you have to make a stand somewhere and somehow.