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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Apple used to promote this, it's so old that no one talks about it anymore.
They did?
Sure did. And Google Maps uses it to get past, or used to, the Apple Store problem. Google Maps is a good example of one that runs everywhere.
Google Maps, assuming no end user device install - is not an app. at least not in the classical sense.
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@Dashrender said:
When you're talking about web apps, are you talking about hosted webapps? Like O365?
No, I'm talking about applications built in HTML5. Like the Google Maps application. They run like any other application. I'm talking about absolutely identical to what you call "universal."
I keep explaining, you are using Microsoft's marketing spiel of "universal" to refer to "web apps." That's all that that means.
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@Dashrender said:
Google Maps, assuming no end user device install - is not an app. at least not in the classical sense.
Why do you define app differently for this one app than all others?
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@Dashrender said:
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm taking about things like Minecraft. One code base that runs everywhere, mobile/phone/IoT/Hollowlense, etc.
As am I. It's exactly the one I was thinking of. Minecraft for Windows 10 was implemented in HTML5.
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@Dashrender said:
If you're only talking about server side based apps, that's completely different.
No one has talked about anything like that.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
MS was the first consumer branded to try to make apps work universally across all devices in their ecosystem.
This statement is what we've been discussing.
This one, that I've already quoted for you
I stand by this, unless you can prove to me that you can already run Android apps on any linux box with no changes to the linux box other than being up to date.
The same goes for Apple.
Unless you can take the iOS app and run it directly on an OSX machine, you still haven't achieved my stated goal.Sure can. I don't know what else to tell you.
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@Dashrender said:
You can't take an Android app and just run it on Windows, on Linux, on ChromeOS, can you? with nothing more needed? no emulators, etc. it just works?
Of course you can.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Google Maps, assuming no end user device install - is not an app. at least not in the classical sense.
Why do you define app differently for this one app than all others?
I don't think that I am...
Is there a Google Maps app in the iTunes store? I thought that there was - but then you mentioned something about getting around Apples store problems... so now I'm confused.If using Google Maps on iPhones is nothing more than visiting a webpage, then it's not an app - it's a webapp, and I would fully expect that webapp to work anywhere that has a browser that follows the web standards, assuming that Google programmed Google Maps in a standards based way.
that is not what I'm talking about for apps on a phone.
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@Dashrender said:
Across their entire ecosystem - I'm talking about Windows - MS is trying to make it so you write one app, and it runs on mobile and desktop (hell in some cases even hololens and IoT).
There is no confusion here. I'm saying that Microsoft is the last one to try to do this. This has been tackled and is old hat. There was no one left except Microsoft to not offer this.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
You can't take an Android app and just run it on Windows, on Linux, on ChromeOS, can you? with nothing more needed? no emulators, etc. it just works?
Of course you can.
Please tell me how I take temple running off my Android phone and run it on my Windows phone without an emulator.
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I don't think that I am...
Is there a Google Maps app in the iTunes store? I thought that there was - but then you mentioned something about getting around Apples store problems... so now I'm confused.I just said that they went this route to get around putting it in the App store (iTunes Store? What is that?)
They might have it there now, now that they showed that they didn't need the store to get installed so Apple caved so that they would not be so embarrassed at shutting out a competitor who got in anyway.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Across their entire ecosystem - I'm talking about Windows - MS is trying to make it so you write one app, and it runs on mobile and desktop (hell in some cases even hololens and IoT).
There is no confusion here. I'm saying that Microsoft is the last one to try to do this. This has been tackled and is old hat. There was no one left except Microsoft to not offer this.
You have brow beaten me into giving up on this conversation - I feel that we are each hitting each other's brick walls and no longer learning anything.
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@Dashrender said:
Please tell me how I take temple running off my Android phone and run it on my Windows phone without an emulator.
Same way you do the opposite. I'm so unclear where the confusion is. Two things....
- So you think that Microsoft is making a new system that they make but magically works on devices that they do not control....
- You think that these other devices that already support this and have for a decade can do this without having built in that technology first?
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@Dashrender said:
You have brow beaten me into giving up on this conversation - I feel that we are each hitting each other's brick walls and no longer learning anything.
You've not shown me anything this whole time. I keep saying that these devices do things and you keep repeating that a decade later MS is doing it first. How?
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@Dashrender said:
Please tell me how I take temple running off my Android phone and run it on my Windows phone without an emulator.
First, you install a universal app to your Android. Then install it to Windows phone. That's all. I'm unclear what you want to know.
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@Dashrender said:
If using Google Maps on iPhones is nothing more than visiting a webpage, then it's not an app - it's a webapp, and I would fully expect that webapp to work anywhere that has a browser that follows the web standards, assuming that Google programmed Google Maps in a standards based way.
As we've already covered, that's nothign like what I am discussing. You are acting like I'm not posting anything here. You keep asking the same exact questions over and over, I explain and then you ask again as if teh conversation didn't happen.
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@Dashrender said:
that is not what I'm talking about for apps on a phone.
As I've stated several times already, neither am I. I'm talking about apps that run on the phone, without a connection to the Internet. Normal, every day apps.
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Doing a quick search, here is an app that makes universal apps for all of the phone platforms:
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Here is a game example that runs on Windows Phone and iOS. Sadly even "universal" support requires that things like screens, inputs, and such be supported. Until devices are all identical, universal only means that it runs, not that it is useful. And any unique APIs mean that it will run but can't access all features.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Please tell me how I take temple running off my Android phone and run it on my Windows phone without an emulator.
Same way you do the opposite. I'm so unclear where the confusion is. Two things....
- So you think that Microsoft is making a new system that they make but magically works on devices that they do not control....
- You think that these other devices that already support this and have for a decade can do this without having built in that technology first?
1 - no, I'm only talking about MS controlled devices - i.e. devices that run windows. Sadly at the moment I can't think of a single example (well because so far MS has failed). All things MS has written, MS has also written for every platform.
But for the sake of it.. let's just talk about OneDrive. MS wrote a OneDrive App. in MS's universal platform (universal meaning can run on any Windows device, not any ANY device) MS would write one application. It would work on both desktop and windows phone. it would NOT work on iOS or OSX or Linux or Android, etc.. only on ALL Windows 10 based devices.
That is what I mean by their ecosystem.
