CloudatCost end of Life
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@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@anonymous said:
@Jason That seems like a bit much.
No different than a cabling company suing to get back pay from someone when they forget to disconnect the service to the customer.
Actually that seems like a bit much. I can see back charging for something like webhosting VPS hosting when it's quite clear the purchaser is still using them... but cable - How do you prove they were using it?
Actually it's still a crime. Cable companes can detect which devices are watching, heck even some the newer stuff will report the Model # of it.
Here is the difference the government is in bed with the cable companies. They have never even heard of C@C. Saying someone is going to get sued over a VPS is a bit extreme.
C@C has their heads so far up their ass that they have no clue anyway. Even if they did decide to try to sue, it would get thrown out immediately once they say all the PayPal charge backs and complaints.
Yeah, notice the "passive theft" wording makes it only about cable services - because it is in no way theft.
Cause if it was someone leaving $5 in my house would be theft.
Is this really a crime? $5 is left on your counter and you see it but don't touch it... suddenly you are committing theft?
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@coliver said:
Is this really a crime? $5 is left on your counter and you see it but don't touch it... suddenly you are committing theft?
Even if you touch it. Remember with cable theft you don't necessarily know that there is a cable involved, don't know who the provider is, did not let them in your house, etc.
If stealing cable is a crime, does providing cable to be stolen constitute breaking and entering?
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@coliver said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@anonymous said:
@Jason That seems like a bit much.
No different than a cabling company suing to get back pay from someone when they forget to disconnect the service to the customer.
Actually that seems like a bit much. I can see back charging for something like webhosting VPS hosting when it's quite clear the purchaser is still using them... but cable - How do you prove they were using it?
Actually it's still a crime. Cable companes can detect which devices are watching, heck even some the newer stuff will report the Model # of it.
Here is the difference the government is in bed with the cable companies. They have never even heard of C@C. Saying someone is going to get sued over a VPS is a bit extreme.
C@C has their heads so far up their ass that they have no clue anyway. Even if they did decide to try to sue, it would get thrown out immediately once they say all the PayPal charge backs and complaints.
Yeah, notice the "passive theft" wording makes it only about cable services - because it is in no way theft.
Cause if it was someone leaving $5 in my house would be theft.
Is this really a crime? $5 is left on your counter and you see it but don't touch it... suddenly you are committing theft?
No, I was saying that's how the laws work for cable companies.
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@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@anonymous said:
@Jason That seems like a bit much.
No different than a cabling company suing to get back pay from someone when they forget to disconnect the service to the customer.
Actually that seems like a bit much. I can see back charging for something like webhosting VPS hosting when it's quite clear the purchaser is still using them... but cable - How do you prove they were using it?
Actually it's still a crime. Cable companes can detect which devices are watching, heck even some the newer stuff will report the Model # of it.
Here is the difference the government is in bed with the cable companies. They have never even heard of C@C. Saying someone is going to get sued over a VPS is a bit extreme.
C@C has their heads so far up their ass that they have no clue anyway. Even if they did decide to try to sue, it would get thrown out immediately once they say all the PayPal charge backs and complaints.
Yeah, notice the "passive theft" wording makes it only about cable services - because it is in no way theft.
Cause if it was someone leaving $5 in my house would be theft.
Is this really a crime? $5 is left on your counter and you see it but don't touch it... suddenly you are committing theft?
No, I was saying that's how the laws work for cable companies.
Ah, got it I thought you were arguing globally.
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@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@anonymous said:
@Jason That seems like a bit much.
No different than a cabling company suing to get back pay from someone when they forget to disconnect the service to the customer.
Actually that seems like a bit much. I can see back charging for something like webhosting VPS hosting when it's quite clear the purchaser is still using them... but cable - How do you prove they were using it?
Actually it's still a crime. Cable companes can detect which devices are watching, heck even some the newer stuff will report the Model # of it.
Here is the difference the government is in bed with the cable companies. They have never even heard of C@C. Saying someone is going to get sued over a VPS is a bit extreme.
C@C has their heads so far up their ass that they have no clue anyway. Even if they did decide to try to sue, it would get thrown out immediately once they say all the PayPal charge backs and complaints.
Yeah, notice the "passive theft" wording makes it only about cable services - because it is in no way theft.
Cause if it was someone leaving $5 in my house would be theft.
Is this really a crime? $5 is left on your counter and you see it but don't touch it... suddenly you are committing theft?
No, I was saying that's how the laws work for cable companies.
Yes, because it is a very specific law that makes "stealing cable" a crime when it isn't theft, just like I explained in the original post. Stealing cable needed its own law because no existing theft law would cover it since no actual theft is taking place.
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@scottalanmiller I only run a small minecraft server with them. What upset was that at some point someone got access to my account and deleted the VM and deployed a windows VM. No idea how they did it, but my son was heartbroken he lost everything he had done. that's the only thing that ever came up for me (although a big one)
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@68biscayne said:
@scottalanmiller I only run a small minecraft server with them. What upset was that at some point someone got access to my account and deleted the VM and deployed a windows VM. No idea how they did it, but my son was heartbroken he lost everything he had done. that's the only thing that ever came up for me (although a big one)
Good luck running minecraft there with there IOWait issues.. And windows has no legal way of running on C@C.
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@Jason for windows, maybe it's a license thing? don't know, don't have one. The server seems to be running it just fine for him. Just one 8 year old playing on the server and he hasn't told me he is having issues. Then again, he rarely complains about anything when he is allowed to use the computer. I should ask him if the game is "slow"
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@68biscayne said:
@scottalanmiller I only run a small minecraft server with them. What upset was that at some point someone got access to my account and deleted the VM and deployed a windows VM. No idea how they did it, but my son was heartbroken he lost everything he had done. that's the only thing that ever came up for me (although a big one)
That's really weird. Could be any external hacking attempt, of course, although that is super weird.
Also weird that he got Minecraft working there. Even CloudatCost themselves were unable to get one working when they offered one to the community a year ago. They didn't have enough horsepower on their systems to run one fast enough to work.
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@68biscayne said:
@Jason for windows, maybe it's a license thing? don't know, don't have one. The server seems to be running it just fine for him. Just one 8 year old playing on the server and he hasn't told me he is having issues. Then again, he rarely complains about anything when he is allowed to use the computer. I should ask him if the game is "slow"
It's a storage problem. We documented it for them heavily. They don't use scale out storage but run on cheap, overloaded SAN (which was our first big indicator that they didn't know what they were doing.) Because of that architecture and lack of knowledge, they were never able to fix their IO issues. It would install fine and fire up but everyone who tried it found it unusable.
If you follow the tag link that I sent there are scores of threads here discussing their IO issues. Some back when people were trying to help them resolve them. Many after we had given up and realized that they were just trying to get our money and then make the system so slow that no one would actually use it.
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Windows cannot be licensed on CloudatCost so that should never be an issue. There is a thread where we talk about that too. CloudatCost conveniently doesn't tell customers that they don't have a possibly way to run Windows there.
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Sorry @68biscayne for jumping all over you. We have had C@C feed us a bunch of BS propaganda in the past.
Are you out of Miami?
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@IRJ No, i am in Canada. No worrys, only 1 post certainly looks like i am from their PR team. I like the service though. Cost me about 17$ to get it for my son and he spends hours on it. Had my brother get it up and running. Just keep in mind, there is only ever him logged into it, no mods, sometimes my brother logs in and plays with him. so not much usage at all on it.
I don't use it for any development or heavy use. Don't know if my brother made any changes. He did however have me install it as a CentOS instead of their templated version. I can only assume he loaded a copy of his own.As to wondows license, a little digging and it turns out they can give you a 90 access when first created, after that you are on your own (saw something on the site where they declare they don't provide a license. Just wondering if it's possible for people to purchase a key from Microsoft to use.
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@68biscayne said:
@IRJ No, i am in Canada. No worrys, only 1 post certainly looks like i am from their PR team.
We had a lot of love for it around here too at the beginning. It started off looking amazing. The idea was great. But it just didn't pan out well.
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@68biscayne said:
As to wondows license, a little digging and it turns out they can give you a 90 access when first created, after that you are on your own (saw something on the site where they declare they don't provide a license. Just wondering if it's possible for people to purchase a key from Microsoft to use.
Yup, they do. And no, you can't.
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Here you go, we wrote it up because they kept burying this info:
http://mangolassi.it/topic/4842/why-you-cannot-effectively-run-windows-on-cloudatcost
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@68biscayne said:
I don't use it for any development or heavy use. Don't know if my brother made any changes. He did however have me install it as a CentOS instead of their templated version. I can only assume he loaded a copy of his own.
For straight development it mostly works. The IO issues won't plague you in most cases. It was not sold as a development system here, they made a HUGE deal about it being production ready. Only after it was production ready did they change that wording to hide it. We captured in some of those threads where they had been telling us it was production and where they had production in their big online marketing campaigns because they were trying to bury that too after it was shown that their systems were useless for production.
They proved to be so slow that even lab use didn't work for many of us.
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CloudAtCost has completely revoked their "free for life" products that people have already paid for in full and is now simply charging for them - even ones that customers already own. Customers are now being extorted to pay annually for something they were sold specifically so that they would not have to pay for in this way. The service is no longer a scam on the technical level, it is now a full scam on the billing and marketing level as well.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/14009/cloudatcost-turning-to-extortion
