i put myself in a big problem
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but you have to know something the big majority of private sector are doing the same thing (i'm not saying that it is legal just because everybody doing it but i'm telling what is happening) including license of SQL server, widows server, windows 7, photoshop, Visual studio,
the big majority i say
and even the guy that sold us those server is a computer provider so he is doing the same thing with multiple businesses
what i mean is: even if i change the job about 75 % i will face the same issue (piracy) -
@IT-ADMIN said:
but you have to know something the big majority of private sector are doing the same thing (i'm not saying that it is legal just because everybody doing it but i'm telling what is happening) including license of SQL server, widows server, windows 7, photoshop, Visual studio,
We do know that and that is why we fear companies from those regions - they can't be trusted. That it is legal is only rarely understood here because "stealing from us" never sounds like something legal. I realize that it is legal, but likewise people in those regions need to understand that the average American, as an example, has some money invested in Microsoft and anytime you say that people do this, what you are essentially saying is that businesses in your region are stealing from us, personally. Legal or not, it is still theft. And a direct financial attack on people in our region. So companies doing that don't just hurt companies here, it is a willingness to be both embarrassing poor and outright offensive both to anyone with a financial interest in Microsoft as well as to people who work on the honest side of IT who have their profession belittled. It's not a "small thing." It is actually a really big deal. For someone from the west to do these things would be outright embarrassing. We would feel like failures.
I think nearly everyone knows that companies in the Middle East do not respect the companies making the software, respect IT as professionals, etc. It's not a surprise. The natural result is that western companies don't view companies like that as peers or equals or even as legitimate businesses. It's like seeing kids on the side of the road with lemonaid stands, we think it is cute but we know the difference between a real business and kids pretending to run a business.
If companies there want to be thought of as real businesses, they would need to behave like them. It's purely their choice, no one is making them treat themselves as lesser entities, they just legally can so choose to do so.
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and what makes business owner fall into this illegal act, this kind of stupid guys who sell computers and servers, they profit the ignorance of those owners who don't know the risk of running cracked version and tell them look : the price of windows server 2008 R2 only will cost you for example 1000 $ (for example i dont know the price) and the price of the all server with windows built-in is 3000 $ and without windows is 2900 $, so the stupid ignorant owner make a stupid calculation 2900+1000 is bigger than 3000 so i will just buy the server who has windows in it
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@IT-ADMIN said:
and even the guy that sold us those server is a computer provider so he is doing the same thing with multiple businesses
We have people like him here too. They are called pirates and if caught, they go to jail. Stealing stuff makes a lot of money. And not just from the people that they steal from directly but from everyone that invests in that business, from people who work in that industry (like you) and others. The impact is much larger than people often picture.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
what i mean is: even if i change the job about 75 % i will face the same issue (piracy)
Understood and no one is blaming you for the behaviour. It just is what it is. You are a victim too - this piracy makes it far harder for you to do your job effectively and in a way that will help you move onto successful "real" companies. You are being cheated just like the rest of us.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
and what makes business owner fall into this illegal act
Not illegal, unethical. Not the same thing. Most people, at least in the west, are fine with breaking the law as long as it is ethical. If the law doesn't support ethics, it is bad and should not be obeyed.
In this case, the law allows something that is unethical. That a law is needed to stop it is sad, but that is the case. But that it is legal doesn't change its ethics in any way.
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Companies in your country (your adopted country) doing this don't just hurt Americans or Europeans or IT pros either, they also make it harder for the rare ethical company in your country to do business. It makes western companies scared of any business there, not just those breaching ethics, because they have a hard time knowing who to trust. Once there is a culture of dishonest, unethical behaviour serious businesses start to shy away from working in the region. It hurts every member of that society. It's an affront to the citizenry.
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yes you are right
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we go far away from the main subject, let us returning back
i told you that the windows server is genuine and not blacklisted by microsoft, we do not know the how but technically it is genuine, so in this case can i P2V or not,
you know what is my fear ? my fear is when i P2V the physical server will be technically blacklisted, this is the main question Dear Scott -
This is one of the reasons that we are so happy when we see countries where concerns like this have traditionally been high, like China and India, making moves to adopt Linux even when Windows could be "free" for them. That is the same kind of decision that western companies have to make. We can attempt to steal Windows, we can pay for Windows, we can pay for Mac or we can use Linux or FreeBSD completely for free! There are free options for everyone, that someone would rather steal something rather than using something that someone is offering for free doesn't go over well.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They don't treat the "business" that you work for as seriously as American or European (or Nicaraguan in my case)
That's the first time anyone ever referred to Latin America as "serious" in business. The work ethic of Latin America, besides the lowest level of worker, is horrible. It was like pulling teeth to get things done in Costa Rica when I was running Vegas Club Room. And then we start mentioning South, especially Brazil, holy f[moderated]!
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
They don't treat the "business" that you work for as seriously as American or European (or Nicaraguan in my case)
That's the first time anyone ever referred to Latin America as "serious" in business. The work ethic of Latin America, besides the lowest level of worker, is horrible. It was like pulling teeth to get things done in Costa Rica when I was running Vegas Club Room. And then we start mentioning South, especially Brazil, holy f[moderated]!
Costa Rica has a reputation for work issues even in Central America, I would not use that as the standard. I've not seem similar issues in Panama, for example. Nicaragua I am still getting to know.
