Invisible ATM Card skimming
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@Dashrender said:
non PIN use of chip is the way the US is going.
How is that secure?
Not sure if it exists in Europe, but I would expect it does.
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That was more or less my question several posts above.
But in thinking about it, it's more secure than swiping, because with swiping, someone can just borrow your card (say a waiter) scan/copy it in the back, and make new ones all day long.
With a chip, you can copy it, at least not easily.
But this is a half measure.
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
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@Dashrender said:
With a chip, you can copy it, at least not easily.
Right, chips are very hard to copy. Not sure if anyone is even able to do it yet. Add the pin feature and you can't use the card in the owner's absence [easily].
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@Dashrender said:
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
Chip + biometric + time limit.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
Chip + biometric + time limit.
what is the biometric?
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I used Tap to pay with ISIS before Google bought them and changed it to Google Wallet (added to... whatever they did). No biometric used there.
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@Dashrender said:
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
It's limited $ and easy to contest. Also speeds up the line at Timmie's like you would not believe. I bet the ones in Ontario* will take debit soon with tap enabled.
*Tim Hortons refused to accept debit for a long time as it caused EPIC lineups. Best of my knowledge they still do not in Ontario (cash only)
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@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
It's limited $ and easy to contest. Also speeds up the line at Timmie's like you would not believe. I bet the ones in Ontario* will take debit soon with tap enabled.
*Tim Hortons refused to accept debit for a long time as it caused EPIC lineups. Best of my knowledge they still do not in Ontario (cash only)
WOW - were the terminals so slow that entering a PIN for debt caused a problem?
I remember the commercials from a few years ago... when they were trying to get you to use CC... and someone used Cash and the whole line grinded to a halt.. funny how things are turned around now.
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@Dashrender humans were slow. faster to hand over a 20 and let the machine* cough out your change.
*well known fact that Tim's cashiers are just humanoid robots created for the sole purpose of handing back exact change with inhuman speed.
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@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
It's limited $ and easy to contest. Also speeds up the line at Timmie's like you would not believe. I bet the ones in Ontario* will take debit soon with tap enabled.
*Tim Hortons refused to accept debit for a long time as it caused EPIC lineups. Best of my knowledge they still do not in Ontario (cash only)
WOW - were the terminals so slow that entering a PIN for debt caused a problem?
I remember the commercials from a few years ago... when they were trying to get you to use CC... and someone used Cash and the whole line grinded to a halt.. funny how things are turned around now.
Not turning around, just moving continuously in the same direction. Paying in cash still takes a long time. A lot of places fall apart trying to figure out money and change.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
It's limited $ and easy to contest. Also speeds up the line at Timmie's like you would not believe. I bet the ones in Ontario* will take debit soon with tap enabled.
*Tim Hortons refused to accept debit for a long time as it caused EPIC lineups. Best of my knowledge they still do not in Ontario (cash only)
WOW - were the terminals so slow that entering a PIN for debt caused a problem?
I remember the commercials from a few years ago... when they were trying to get you to use CC... and someone used Cash and the whole line grinded to a halt.. funny how things are turned around now.
Not turning around, just moving continuously in the same direction. Paying in cash still takes a long time. A lot of places fall apart trying to figure out money and change.
It's probably the best thing I like about Sonic restaurant. Employees who work there have actual real life basic math skills. They can usually figure out change in a second. Three at the max.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Dashrender said:
Then then I'd say the same about Tap and Pay - if you aren't entering a PIN, how are you any safer then just chip?
It's limited $ and easy to contest. Also speeds up the line at Timmie's like you would not believe. I bet the ones in Ontario* will take debit soon with tap enabled.
*Tim Hortons refused to accept debit for a long time as it caused EPIC lineups. Best of my knowledge they still do not in Ontario (cash only)
WOW - were the terminals so slow that entering a PIN for debt caused a problem?
I remember the commercials from a few years ago... when they were trying to get you to use CC... and someone used Cash and the whole line grinded to a halt.. funny how things are turned around now.
Not turning around, just moving continuously in the same direction. Paying in cash still takes a long time. A lot of places fall apart trying to figure out money and change.
It's probably the best thing I like about Sonic restaurant. Employees who work there have actual real life basic math skills. They can usually figure out change in a second. Three at the max.
I can honestly say I used to be able to do this... until I went to college then my math skills went to hell.
