In the case of vi vs Emacs yes, vi(m) has won, probably for three reasons:

• vi comes on everything remotely POSIX or Unix compliant
• Some people pride themselves on the overly complex nature of vi(m) over other editors, you can even find people swearing that vim with tons of weird extras is superior to a full IDE such as PhpStorm or Visual Studio. These people are liars, morons, or delusional.
• Emacs, in my experience, was always more bigger with people more apt to use Lisp, and nobody but supervirgins and beardos use Lisp. ((((know(((what((((((()()))))I((((((((((((mean? (Someone who just knows the basic syntax of Lisp should get that joke/insult).

Outside of the two short bus riders beating the hell out of each other in the Waffle House parking lot that is vi vs Emacs, there are tons of editors which do way better at everything in comparison, to either, but especially to vi, as vi does everything in the worst way possible.

In other words yes, vi won, but they're both still crap.

Even today distros like Ubuntu override things like visudo to load into nano, not into vi. I think this is wonderful. Vi comes from a time when there were limited keys on a keyboard, and instead of using escape and control to manage the program (used in a limited way, escape especially in that it brings up command mode), they devised a brutally complex and illogical system for editing which persists to this day, it is truly for the masochistic and pretentious.

Knowing the basics of vi in that knowing how to do basic editing and also how to escape+qw! or wq is important if you're a sysadmin, but unnecessary for everyone else, and as soon as you can install any other text editor, you should, and most people do.

I understand personal preference, but it says a lot about someone's personality in that they'd honestly say vim is better than a real IDE on X and they can work "faster" with it. That can only be an absolute lie or a delusion on a David Berkowitz level. The dog is barking at the vi masochists and it's saying "hold on to a turd and call it gold, after all, you'l gain +100 nerd points in the valley."

Dear moderator(s), feel free to edit out anything unseemly in my post, I still haven't gotten a hang of exactly the rules here yet, aside from know cussing. For those interested I did post a full colour extended version on my blog, I also linked back here too.

@scottalanmiller said:

@Carnival-Boy said:

"At U.S. Robotics we had close to ten thousand employees and we didn't count personal days. We said "Take the days you need." There was a high level of trust. Here's how many employees misused their paid time off: zero. They didn't do it, because they were treated like adults."

I call bullshit on this statement. I guarantee that in any workplace of 10,000 people, many will take the piss. If you're a manager and you're not aware of this, it probably means you need to come down from your ivory tower from time to time.

I've worked at several places that use this policy and the abuse levels are super low when dealing with professional shops. If you have any number of people taking the piss on this, you're hiring poorly.

Indeed, this is our policy as well and we've only had one case of abuse, and it was a receptionist and she was fired a long time ago. Valuing talent and treating people well makes them want to come to work... plus tons of free snacks, coffee (about 10 different flavours of Torani syrups, most of which cannot be found at regular grocery stores), soda, even paleolithic and v*gan compatible snacks, plus we sometimes get lunches and crap.

It costs a fair amount, but we get better performance out of employees than MSPs I worked at years ago, that's why I run mine differently. I still have sales data from two of those MSPs and I've compared a lot from time to time, and in the amount of refunds, miscalculated (under-calculated) work time, etc they still lost way more than we lose in snacks or more days off for people.

A lot of business owners think grabbing someone by the base of their snarglees and running their lives, draining the happiness out of it, and controlling them like they're teenagers is the best way to get performance out of people, but I can say freedom and treating people well works a hell of a lot better.

I didn't even know this would actually work when I implemented these policies (I bought an MSP I had worked for when I sold another company) and was more than willing to stop if it didn't work, but it only got better, and some people who had played hookie from work before, began coming in earlier and staying later, and closing more tickets or committing more code (depending on job).

Crazy!

@thanksajdotcom Well that thing just sucks, don't base your opinions of Jabber on it, I beg you. I can't believe I'm defending Jabber, I spent 2 hours once explaining to project managers why XMPP was a stupid idea 14 years ago.

@Dashrender said:

I agree with Scott - I have a friend who flew to Spain to take a Disney cruise back to NY. Sounded like crossing the ocean to me.

Crossing the ocean isn't the real stated difference though, but it was a primary one until fairly recently. A lot of cruise liners have started to move a lot of their stuff toward the areas formerly occupied by ocean liners in order to better compete with each other, however still the primary differences are:

• Cruise liners are essentially theme parks with hulls
• A cruise liner is typically considered the vacation/event itself, where as an ocean liner is just a transport to the vacation/event.
• Ocean liners have a scheduled route for passengers to be dropped off, and sometimes that happens with cruise liners, but typically cruises it's just as a temporary stop for vacationers to see locales, not to disembark completely
• Ocean liners have better paid staff
• Ocean liners are built for general open ocean travel, but cruise liners typically stay at least fairly close to the shore (when possible) and this is because ocean liners are built with higher decks, very few balcony rooms, etc so they can better deal with rough waters.
• And because of the above, ocean liners tend to carry more food and water than cruise ships

Like I said, a lot of cruise ships are going in that direction in order to simply stand out from the "let's get drunk and sail around the edge of Mexico" type of thing cruise liners were originally and are still typically used for.

I've never been on a cruise ship, only ocean liners, but my wife and a former girlfriend have both been on cruise ships and they both have/had stated that the environment is different (calmer, more sober, less partying if any at all) and the calibre of people is different (way less white trash).

@scottalanmiller My wife had actually ordered a blown up version of the picture below for my home office, but it was destroyed in the mail, like they threw it into a combine harvester, still need to get it redone:

I think Office 365 Business is pretty good, and I'm not even into Microsoft stuff that much

@Carnival-Boy said:

@tonyshowoff said:

I posted a more extended version on my blog:

http://tonyshowoff.com/articles/hamburger-icon-the-illogical-and-unnecessary-name/

Shameless self promotion? You bet, but I think I lay out a good argument.

Fascist.

I've known about it for ages. Possibly because I'm hipper and more down with da kids than you lot.

I'd post my typical reply to being called a fascist but I can't on this forum, as it's more than a tad crass :x

It's really strange because I spent more than too much time googling around about this and there's a weird gap of people who have known this term for at least a couple of years and most people still don't know it as far as I can tell and are often confused/surprised by the terminology, though I've seen a lot of people who like it.

@scottalanmiller said:

That would be an awesome poster.

Yeah she got it high quality and a nice frame to put it in, but they screwed it up. It was a nice surprise, I didn't even ask for it.

Your new site is better than the old one, that old layout looked just like your suit, but I always assumed that wasn't an accident. It did make me think of "Count Dracula's nephew fixes computers" though.

More like "Java at 20: How James Gosling cursed and saved us all"

@thanksajdotcom said:

Mike Shinoda is a CRUCIAL part of Linkin Park. He's what makes them stand out as a band. Chester can really sing, and Mike can rap. That combo makes them unlike any other band.

I agree it makes them stand out, I was just thinking that, but I'm just saying as far as my taste goes, I don't really like it. Music is extremely subjective, obviously.

Also, 90s rap wasn't my thing. I've also yet to find a black rapper I like. That's not a dig at black people, but that style is just not something I enjoy listening to.

There's a lot of different types of hip hop. What about hispanic rappers like Big Pun?

I get what you mean though, I like aspects of this song I can't really explain:

Youtube Video – [01:10..]

@JaredBusch said:

@tonyshowoff said:

Using anything but UTF-8 is a crime!

True, and even old WP installs used it without the actually making sure the DB was configured that way. So odd.

That kind of ineptitude seems par for the course for WordPress. UTF-8 issues can't be blamed just on them though, consider the absolutely bizarre issue of utf8 vs utf8mb4 for MySQL, why the hell wasn't it implemented completely the first time?

I'm waiting for multiteam and XMPP support to be completed, and I don't contribute to the project because I'm selfish with my time and lazy. They're definitely the best I've seen and I've been very impressed with their work.

@BMarie said:

@Tonyshowoff I just seem to do better now without the meds, I'm not as "out of it" I'm more creative when I'm not on them. But I've also not been on them in almost 20 years to.

I didn't realise how severe my AD(H)D was until I started taking Modafinil (it didn't make me feel any different, unlike an amphetamine like adderrall) and then stopped, I then started to realise I got a whole lot less done. That's what's so weird about it, you don't even know it's working until you stop taking it.

@scottalanmiller said:

@Carnival-Boy said:

I'm talking about things like MalwareBytes and RealVNC that are free for home use but not for commercial use.

Quit and report them for me. I won't work for crooks and I feel it is everyone's duty to turn people in when they know that they are stealing form others. No different than telling the cops where the shoplifter ran off to.

Usually I'm the shoplifter though!

@thanksajdotcom said:

@tonyshowoff said:

@Rob-Dunn said:

He's been posting on FB, no mention of accident, so he must be OK.

Worried until I saw that, which is strange I've publicly insulted him many times on here and SW, but I'd hate for anything to happen to him... in principle.

Thank you?

Sshh! I'm glad you're back

@Joyfano said:

She will have a Training for Marine Officer

An undersea police officer, huh? Interesting work.

@Hubtech said:

What is that?

@johnhooks said:

@tonyshowoff

the quote on your site:

with this model there would no need for publishers at all. All profits would go to developers, the people who deserve the money and did the work. No need to spend on marketing or distribution either, ergo no need for publisher.

Ha he sounds like every single minimum wage worker. "The CEO doesn't do any work", "those 'Fat Cat' executives that just sit in their offices while we do all of the hard work"

Also, if you don't spend money on marketing or distribution, how the eff do people find out about your software? Am I the only one that doesn't comb through GitHub every morning when I wake up to find new free open source software?

Well as I pointed out they don't really think about things like that, my guess is they've either never had a real job, or never had to struggle with a low paying job (possibly also academic). And yes, I also see the latest free and open source stuff out there, and steal tons of ideas too.

@Nic said:

We already have enough food to feed the planet, but humanity doesn't have the will to distribute it evenly:
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world hunger facts 2002.htm#Does_the_world_produce_enough_food_to_feed_everyone

I agree with you, but it won't always be true, especially over the next century, and also without central planning (which people hate now) and with the rise of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps you starving African child" beliefs, there has to be a means to empower people to plant for their own communities, especially in places where crops cannot easily grow.