@Nic said:

@ajstringham are those free for distribution? you know this is a public board right?

Good point...I'll email you the links @art_of_shred

@dashrender you seem to have some things mixed up. You are looking at email domains like AD domains. That's not quite right. Your setup is almost like some weird ad-hoc email SMTP VPN type thing I can't even fathom. None of it makes any sense for dev or especially production environments.

@dashrender Also, why would/does anyone use POP3 anymore? It's a dead protocol. Only ones I see using it still are ISPs like TWC, Verizon, etc. Serious email providers like Gmail and all business providers (or almost all) use IMAP. POP3 is just not smart and in the age of multiple devices, POP3 is stupid.

@Dashrender said:

@ajstringham said:

@dashrender I guess I just don't understand how Gmail would go to NTG without going through an SMTP server. Are you saying that sending to [email protected] from your Gmail would just send it out and ask for NTG's SMTP info and forward from there?

Not really. Let's use your example of Gmail.
Here's a thought experiment.
Install thunderbird and configure the POP3 to Gmail, but do an MX lookup on NTG.co and use that address as your SMTP side.

Now send an email to someone at NTG - it SHOULD work (assuming there is no outbound port 25 filtering), of course sending email to anyone else won't work because the NTG server will ask you why in the world are you asking them to relay your email to another domain.

So my question is - in the case of a gmail user, why do I need to use gmail's server to 'relay' my message to the other side? Why doesn't Thunderbird (and the rest) of the client simply make their own MX lookup (just like Exchange does, etc) and send direct?

I suppose one answer would be spam. If you use a SPF record you couldn't possibly list all of the places that people might send a gmail email from, etc. Does using a relay allow for better customer service somehow (basically make it easier on providers)?

Ok, I see what you're saying. Let me ask you. What would be the business advantage to this? What would be their motivation? Thunderbird is free so investing in that would be foolish. They are completely free for personal and business. Also, Outlook is by Microsoft who already has their own in Office365 or for a business using on-premise Exchange, that one. Why would they? There is no benefit for them to do so. As far as the SMTP, it won't work. Unless there is literally ZERO authentication against SMTP, to which I would say wtf?!, then your receiving is fine and sending won't go because it won't authenticate. Has nothing to do with port filtering.

@Bill-Kindle That's funny!

Glasgow Kiss which is more upbeat but still awesome!
Youtube Video

@dashrender I guess I just don't understand how Gmail would go to NTG without going through an SMTP server. Are you saying that sending to [email protected] from your Gmail would just send it out and ask for NTG's SMTP info and forward from there?

Then again, perhaps that's why it works with on-premise and not hosted. On-premise may be authenticating locally via AD so Kerberos, etc and bypassing authenticating against SMTP directly. Almost a relay workaround?

And I know for a fact they have clients with sensitive data. I've done the setup. They had on-premise Exchange. They checked to use authentication against the email server.

@scottalanmiller said:

@ajstringham said:

@dashrender

As far as Office365 goes:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/settings-for-pop-and-imap-access-HA102908389.aspx

As far as on-premise Exchange goes, I've never seen or been told you have to disable security of any kind. That's what's confusing me. Why would on-premise work but not Office365? Something just isn't adding up. Working on getting definite answers now.

@ajstringham said:

@dashrender

As far as Office365 goes:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/settings-for-pop-and-imap-access-HA102908389.aspx

As far as on-premise Exchange goes, I've never seen or been told you have to disable security of any kind. That's what's confusing me. Why would on-premise work but not Office365? Something just isn't adding up. Working on getting definite answers now.

Lots of details are left out. You know that TLS isn't supported. So you know that requiring it has to be disabled. So just put two and two together. You already have the answer, just not spelled out.

Scott, what I'm saying is I've never seen it anywhere in writing or been verbally told that when a client uses on-premise Exchange that they must disable TLS/security. It seems to me if that was the case that Unitrends would automatically be eliminated as an option by anyone in any kind of field with sensitive data (healthcare, finance, government, etc).

@Dashrender The SMTP server does that. You're talking about a P2P setup and that's just not possible. SMTP does the sending. No way around that.

@art_of_shred said:

I put Queensryche in the same category as bands like Rush, Dream Theater, and other prog rock-ish bands. Are they under-appreciated? Maybe. Does anyone care? No. Great musicianship, but boring music to sit and listen to (maybe not so much for Rush, but you get the idea). I don't care how good they are if they can't hold my interest with their music.

I partially agree with regards to Dream Theater. Some are slow and melodic. However, Panic Attack has been overplayed. If you want some amazing music, I'll send you some of John Petrucci's solo stuff. That'll get you going...

@Bud @art_of_shred I keep hearing Tesla mentioned but I can't say as I've ever heard of them. I may have heard stuff by them. The name sounds vaguely familiar but I'm not sure. What are their big songs that if someone would recognize something by them it would be ______?

@Nic I'll give it a listen later.

@Katie 24oz rum runners? $5? o.0

@minion-queen I'm going to FL. Back...I don't even know...

@scottalanmiller said:

Several people reporting similar issues. @david-scammell

What is he using for AV?

@Aaron-Studer You aren't logged in on that shot. I believe that's the default screen until you login.

@Dashrender said:

@ajstringham I bet that it's because the Unitrends box can't do secure POP, only insecure POP. It all hinges on the fact that Unitrends probably doesn't have the features installed to allow TLS connections.

Unitrends has no reason to use POP. It doesn't receive email. Only sends out reports.

@Bud said:

@ajstringham Can't wait to hear the results of that one...

Hopefully it won't be anything like the the 'results' of this one: http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/man-found-decapitated-police-suspect-suicide/nYNZh/

What?? That...just...what?!?!?!

o.0

Note to self: be wary of otters...