@travisdh1 said in Arg! The money spent the month before I stated here.:
I got an email this week about the Sophos renewal, which is only $300.00 more per year in maintenance than replacing it with Ubiquiti gear with no maintenance cost, and was renewed the month before I came on staff.
Oh the joys of IT.
The Sophos gear does IDS, load balancing and a ton of other fun things that Uniquity doesn't do....
5.1 isn’t a supported release (Its ancient). Update the host to something Modern (even 5.5 has less than a year left).
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@stacksofplates said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...
If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#$@% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).
What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....
I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.
What crap software are you dealing with? Don’t know any software with this kind of problems. What crap does VMware run that they can’t update?
Not understanding this question....
20 years on Linux and I’ve never seen this issue once. Use enterprise software and you should be good. How would any useful software carry kernel dependencies?
Block level storage hooks can often end up there (although there are exceptions like the micro-redirection in VAIO).... IN this case, it's Veeam making the software (curious where VMware came into this).
The other issue is API's changing that are called. People sometimes change them, sometimes they break etc.
Again really the only time API changes should break anything outside of the OS is when software is using 3rd party kernel modules which is against best practices.
Which in turn makes those apps generally crap. (Zerto, for example.)
They were kludges when you have an app that would take millions to refactor or migrate, lacks native DR capabilities, and the gaps from normally supported options are too big.
Now, with VAIO (which RP4VM's has moved too, and Veeam has announced will support) I expect Zerto to quietly implode in the corner.
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...
If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#$@% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).
What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....
I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.
What crap software are you dealing with? Don’t know any software with this kind of problems. What crap does VMware run that they can’t update?
Not understanding this question....
20 years on Linux and I’ve never seen this issue once. Use enterprise software and you should be good. How would any useful software carry kernel dependencies?
Block level storage hooks can often end up there (although there are exceptions like the micro-redirection in VAIO).... IN this case, it's Veeam making the software (curious where VMware came into this).
The other issue is API's changing that are called. People sometimes change them, sometimes they break etc.
VMware came in because you (at VMware) were constantly running into issues that all of your software had kernel hooks, and ones that would break too.
I ran into having to do bare metal restores with shit apps at Synchronet, and that was mostly windows garbage (That had DLL or Java version hell requirements).
That doesn't surprise me. Those things I expect to break apps. But kernel versions, very rarely.
Veeams providing a functionality that no one is. That generally means they had to do some hacktastic stuff. Until 2016 they had to write their own kernel driver for changed block tracking I'm pretty sure (it wasn't native to Hyper-V)
@stacksofplates said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
Again really the only time API changes should break anything outside of the OS is when software is using 3rd party kernel modules which is against best practices
I agree with you here, but historically certain functionality (Block level zero RPO, long distance no ack wait replication) tended to fall into this vooodoo land (Zerto, Recover Point, double take, never fail as examples).
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...
If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#$@% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).
What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....
I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.
What crap software are you dealing with? Don’t know any software with this kind of problems. What crap does VMware run that they can’t update?
Not understanding this question....
20 years on Linux and I’ve never seen this issue once. Use enterprise software and you should be good. How would any useful software carry kernel dependencies?
Block level storage hooks can often end up there (although there are exceptions like the micro-redirection in VAIO).... IN this case, it's Veeam making the software (curious where VMware came into this).
The other issue is API's changing that are called. People sometimes change them, sometimes they break etc.
VMware came in because you (at VMware) were constantly running into issues that all of your software had kernel hooks, and ones that would break too.
I ran into having to do bare metal restores with shit apps at Synchronet, and that was mostly windows garbage (That had DLL or Java version hell requirements).
@scottalanmiller said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
But it could be consistent, it's just not. The volunteers actually great more need for moderation than they fix, I think.
You think 
The issue with moderation is without something that tracks what's deleted you can't actually know. 99% of what I deleted when I was involved heavily over there was...
@scottalanmiller said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@storageninja said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@scottalanmiller said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@storageninja said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
- Behavior. If their first post is raving about a product They will at the least get a follow from admins/CM's even if they don't trip the others. If their only 3-4 posts are about Proxmox (even if spread across a year) they are going to get frozen until they talk to a CM.
This also has not worked outside of the Proxmox and some limited cases. I catch this from time to time and often really obvious sock puppets are allowed to stay.
Have you reported them to the group admins...
Report the main admins to the group admins?
The Community admins are sock puppets on the storage forum? I haven't seen them ever post in that forum.
This gets back to an earlier point. As any community grows it's admins and rules will have to fracture. What's cool in the storage group isn't going to be cool in Newbies, or in the gong show that is the soapbox forum. Reddit survives because it decided that beyond some general community guidelines 100% consistent rules and moderation just wouldn't scale.
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@StorageNinja you can like them all you want, I'm over here in the "SW can suck all the dicks" camp. Your defense of the moderators will not sway that, nor will it change the inconsistent behavior they enjoy applying to a select few.
I'm in the camp that I assume they (like all private businesses) want to make money. When someone costs them more, than the value they bring they would do what you said they did.
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@storageninja said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
I've seen plenty of other posts about vendor behavior where they were being total dicks, threatening the revenue stream, etc, but they don't get banned. Their system of moderation is way too uneven and dependent on the particular mod. No consistency whatsoever.
. The moderation team is mostly volunteers, who are from all over the world with different cultures etc, so interpretation of rules may vary slightly. Throw in the fact that some forums (Virtualization, Storage, Soapbox) have custom rules in the form of a sticky. You can escalate it to CMs and David so from there you should see consistency.
You keep making vague statements about this though and are not really providing examples....
I'm in "permanent moderation". If I were to try to post anything, it gets delayed and sent to mods for approval. And because of that, I've been a ghost around there. My give-a-shit about reading or posting anything on SW is long gone. Not sure what is vague about that.
My understanding is that queue is a bit like the Leaver/Rager queue in Dota2. You get thrown in it for bad behavior, and if you prove that most of your posts are good and it is a waste of time for the mods to approve things they let you out. Inversely if the alternative (letting you post freely) causes more work for the mods and CM's then I can see why leaving you in that would make sense (Mod Time and CM's are not a limitless free resource, and it's an IT community, not a babysitter service).
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
I've seen plenty of other posts about vendor behavior where they were being total dicks, threatening the revenue stream, etc, but they don't get banned. Their system of moderation is way too uneven and dependent on the particular mod. No consistency whatsoever.
. The moderation team is mostly volunteers, who are from all over the world with different cultures etc, so interpretation of rules may vary slightly. Throw in the fact that some forums (Virtualization, Storage, Soapbox) have custom rules in the form of a sticky. You can escalate it to CMs and David so from there you should see consistency.
You keep making vague statements about this though and are not really providing examples....
It's rare I see any large scale internet forum have consistent moderation.
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
Sure, except that they specifically tell the community to report bad vendor behavior, but only allow certain people to do it.
Anyone can report behavior. Is the option grey'd out for you or something? That sounds like a bug.
@scottalanmiller said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@storageninja said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
- Behavior. If their first post is raving about a product They will at the least get a follow from admins/CM's even if they don't trip the others. If their only 3-4 posts are about Proxmox (even if spread across a year) they are going to get frozen until they talk to a CM.
This also has not worked outside of the Proxmox and some limited cases. I catch this from time to time and often really obvious sock puppets are allowed to stay.
Have you reported them to the group admins...
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...
If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#$@% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).
What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....
I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.
What crap software are you dealing with? Don’t know any software with this kind of problems. What crap does VMware run that they can’t update?
Not understanding this question....
20 years on Linux and I’ve never seen this issue once. Use enterprise software and you should be good. How would any useful software carry kernel dependencies?
Block level storage hooks can often end up there (although there are exceptions like the micro-redirection in VAIO).... IN this case, it's Veeam making the software (curious where VMware came into this).
The other issue is API's changing that are called. People sometimes change them, sometimes they break etc.
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@storageninja said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
Spiceworks is just a big bunch of adverts wrapped up inside a "community". And there are so many community members who are clearly shills for vendor x, y, or z that it makes most of the material there useless.
If someone is a paid shrill, (Or works for them) you can report it. I've gotten easily 2 dozen accounts banned for this over the years.
The mods there don't hate you as much as they hate me. In fact, bad vendor behavior (and me calling them out) is the very reason they (David Bass) had such a hard on to ban me. So, while you can report stuff and blah blah blah, I cannot.
They are a private, for-profit company. They can certainly ban you for being a dick, or having an impact on their revenue. I would actually be confused with them if they didn't (They need to make money, return value to share holders etc).
@scottalanmiller said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@storageninja said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
Spiceworks is just a big bunch of adverts wrapped up inside a "community". And there are so many community members who are clearly shills for vendor x, y, or z that it makes most of the material there useless.
If someone is a paid shrill, (Or works for them) you can report it. I've gotten easily 2 dozen accounts banned for this over the years.
Problem is they require that you prove their remuneration. Which of course you can’t. So while you can report, it does very little in most cases.
A shocking amount of them are stupid and post their real name which can be matched against linked in.
If they use language that clearly wouldn't be used by someone who works in IT (Product marketing people with no IT experience are TRIVIAL to spot for their use of buzzwords, avoiding of questions, and lack of understanding the nuance or state of the discussion).
IP Address logs. Match them against known accounts who were tagged as the company, or if they are using a known VPN exit gateaway to post.
Behavior. If their first post is raving about a product They will at the least get a follow from admins/CM's even if they don't trip the others. If their only 3-4 posts are about Proxmox (even if spread across a year) they are going to get frozen until they talk to a CM.
The storage group used to have a bad sock puppet problem, but it's largely been calmed down.
@rojoloco said in Websites like Mangolassi or Spiceworks:
Spiceworks is just a big bunch of adverts wrapped up inside a "community". And there are so many community members who are clearly shills for vendor x, y, or z that it makes most of the material there useless.
If someone is a paid shrill, (Or works for them) you can report it. I've gotten easily 2 dozen accounts banned for this over the years.
@tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
If the alternative is spending 4 hours rebuilding your desktop image it's still worth it.
On semi-related fact is that I have my stuff set up so a rebuild takes little longer than the install... 20 minutes tops if it's a surprise. Not sure how it can get to 4 hours with some standard organizational skills.
As a storage admin you end up with some...... crap software that you end up needing on your laptop (Think stuff that runs as local web servers, and database instances). Throw in other weird stuff (Applications virtualized with versions of Java) and a decent backup of things is quite nice. Thankfully more current work/home builds don't need any of that nonsense anymore (I spend most of my day in a browser, or in Franz for messaging) so as long as I can install office and a VDI client for a few things I'm pretty good with a naked laptop.
The other thing is recovering things like SSH keys cached etc could get annoying.
Passwords managers, and remote access tools that backup/externally store credentials are nice (although I'd argue that's a form of backup).
@scottalanmiller said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@storageninja said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
@tim_g Welcome to Linux. All kinds of shit breaks on new kernels...
If you want a *Nix based desktop that just "@#$@% works" and has a bare metal backup may I suggest MacOS and Time Machine? You can from the BIOS re-install bare metal even from Apple's servers (PXE over WAN).
What's bizarre to me is that you would waste time on forum support for something you complain enough to spend 30 minutes troubleshooting in forums or complaining here about. A license is $50-$30 per desktop per year. You apparently WANT a backup of the desktop and see value in it, but don't want to spend money....
I want a functioning car. I don't want to pay for gas. Sadly this doesn't work.
What crap software are you dealing with? Don’t know any software with this kind of problems. What crap does VMware run that they can’t update?
Not understanding this question....
@tim_g said in Veeam Backup and Replication for ESXi:
What I do in my spare time is my own business. If I want to use free software on something and don't want to pay for support for free software, I wont.
I pay for all kinds of software and things at home because I don't want to waste my time on things. Backups of my personal data is worth $50 a year. My 2 cents, is for most people it's worth it. If the alternative is spending 4 hours rebuilding your desktop image it's still worth it.