i totally agree with you, but what force me to work with vb.net the fact that the management application we have now in the company was programmed with vb.net so i have to work with this language, otherwise i have to repeat everything from scratch which is not possible at all,

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will work with JEE, otherwise if i work a desktop application i will use vb.net, because java in windows application is a headach but in web it is OK

Oh, do you mean J2EE? I've never heard anyone call it JEE.

JEE is fine for web applications, what framework(s) do you use with it?

JEE is definitely not an efficient langauge for web development, though. Can you do it? Sure, but would you? Just because you know that language does not mean that it will make things easier. I know Java too, but I'd much rather learn Ruby to leverage Rails, for example, when actually making a web app. People use the "right" language for the "right" task for a reason.

VB.NET I would never use for anything

why you would never use VB.NET ??

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

but i think JEE is not outdated,

What is JEE?

sorry, J2EE
we used to call it like this back in university

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

None of that book is design.

you mean it is a programming language, right?
but wait, why should i learn new language while i already knew one ???

Do you know a good application framework? What language do you know?

sorry guys for the late, i just login into ML from yesterday
well, i do not know any framework language (you mean by framework like tools for designing a website, right) the last web application i did was very bad in term of design because i do not like playing with CSS and javascript, what i do all the time is : pick up a free template and inject my code in it, sometimes i find it difficult to adapt the logic of my application into the template, in that time i content my self with only HTML code (bad looking design lol) for this reason i move to windows application because i'm not into design

if i work with web application, i will work with JEE, otherwise if i work a desktop application i will use vb.net, because java in windows application is a headach but in web it is OK

but i think JEE is not outdated,

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

None of that book is design.

you mean it is a programming language, right?
but wait, why should i learn new language while i already knew one ???

if i work with web application, i will use preexisting template , i will just customize the php code to meet the business need, i cannot crack my head with the design, it is another world (CSS, javascript, jquery and some other scary stuff) the template make our life easier

@scottalanmiller said:

https://www.railstutorial.org/

this book is not free lol

@scottalanmiller said:

Ruby on Rails development tutorial

thanks a lot

you are the Boss Scott

wow, it is very important what are saying now, this mean i can put some design on my web application and after converting it to be like a desktop app, it will looks woow even with fewer design because it will looks better than a normal desktop application

thank you for your help

but what Atom do exactly ?? is it an editor or a converter from web to desktop ??

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

how i can do that ?? a web application is different than windows application, they are totally 2 different things, the web application need a web browser to run while the windows application do not,

Yes and no. Do you need a web browser for MS Office? Yet it is a web app. You can make a web app look, feel and behave just like a desktop app. You can even install it locally.

Woow, i'm impressed, it is the first time i know that i can convert my web application to looks like a desktop application, this is great
i just found mozile labs Prism do the trick

interesting, thank you very much dear scott, you are all he time helping me and giving me brilliants ideas

@scottalanmiller said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

i understand what you mean Dear Scott, but a website whether it be an application or just blog or whatever... people still consider it a website and still expect to see effect and nice design on it

I don't believe that that is true. You can present a web application just like a desktop one and the end users need not even know. So they can't have that perception because they cannot determine which it is.

how i can do that ?? a web application is different than windows application, they are totally 2 different things, the web application need a web browser to run while the windows application do not,
even the way of programming is different : web application require additional work in order to manage cookies, session .....

i understand what you mean Dear Scott, but a website whether it be an application or just blog or whatever... people still consider it a website and still expect to see effect and nice design on it (i'm talking about general public),
in our days website get more and more attractive in term of effects and flash .... so these modern website has created a culture which is : a website must have at least an acceptable level of design, otherwise they will consider it a piece of scrap even if it is running a strong coding and data management system,
this is what I mean

Hi Guys

i have a question regarding Web Application VS Windows Application, i mean many people choose to make web application than making windows application because of its ease in term of central administration, as for windows application it is not that easy to update your software, you need to update the application in all workstations,
Personally I do not prefer web application because I’m not into design, and also in web application you care not only in programming but you have to care also on how to display the application to the users (javascript, JQEURY …..),
As for windows application, you can give all your time to programming and you don’t care about the design anymore because in the end of the day a windows application is a set of buttons and textbox…..nothing special,
Now let us talk about the disadvantage of the windows application, recently I developed a vb.net application and I’m updating it all the time and the workaround I found to overcome this problem of updating the version in each workstation is putting the application in the file server and create only a shortcut for all users, whenever I update my application, I put the new application folder in the exact same location as before, by doing so : when users run the shortcut they run the new version of the application,
So my question is: is this method reliable or it is limited (maybe if the number of users increase the application will stuck, I guess??) otherwise please advise me how to effectively overcome this problem of application update

Thanks and best regard

@gjacobse said:

@IT-ADMIN said:

DELL optiplex 780

Okay - What about indicator lights? The 780 should have status lights of 1-4. Are there any ones blinking?

Likely that your PSU has crashed.. there is enough voltage to cycle the fans but little else.

the light is OK, it remain on (green light) during that 2 min
sorry .what do you mean by PSU??

@gjacobse said:

The last several Dell Desktops I've ordered would do this. Not for the duration you specify though.

First order of business - Open it,.. Pull everything out (not the CPU) and put it all back. If this was newly shipped, it is possible that the Memory and etc could just need to be re-seated.

If this does not resolve it,.. it's likely either something more serious.. Maybe either with the CPU or the MOBO itself.

i tried to pull out everything excluding CPU but the same thing happen,
Note : there is no beeps,
this computer has 5 years old

Hi everybody

i have a weird problem with one computer DELL optiplex 780, as soon as i plug the power cable, the computer start automatically, the fan is turning but approximately after 2 min , the computer shutdown completely, knowing that during that 2 min no display on the monitor,
if i power on the computer the same thing happen again, no display and after 2 min shutdown

is there any hardware hero here to help ??

thanks