@Dashrender said:

@creayt said:

@Dashrender said:

Why are you doing this dev locally? Why not get a server? or get some compute power from a provider?

I actually have a handful of servers. Developing locally, at least w/ my workload, ends up being much, much faster because you don't have to wait for what can end up being hundreds of http requests per second.

At this point me saying anything feels more like I'm being an ass - but I'll one thing before leaving it alone.

If you're entire loadup/install/whatever you wanna call it, is on the cloud/hosted/etc remote solution, why would those http requests be any slower to that box itself, than it would be on your local machine? of course, the purchased resources might be more expensive in the cloud - and that could be a reason for your request.

This reminds me of the doctor who was demanding sub-second response to every click in his remotely hosted/cloud based EHR, something that just seems unrealistic (unrealistic for his demand - in your single dev setup, with a local install, and huge amounts of cash - totally doable).

Because when you develop locally they don't even exist, your box feeds your box and doesn't even go out to the web, and the latency is ~0 ms.

But anyway, back to the matter at hand!!!

Does this seem overpriced? I'm ok w/ it being a little bit overpriced, and just sold my previous home-built Xeon GTX 970 workstation last week, so I'm not afraid to build, but overall the prospect of this arriving at my door in a week ready to plug into my new 40" 4k monitor sounds much better than waiting or and assembling a bunch of parts if it's not a total wallet rape.

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Why are you doing this dev locally? Why not get a server? or get some compute power from a provider?

THis is like the tenth thread of people asking him that

Does this imply that this is also the 10th thread without an answer?

If it's any consolation, I think most developers develop locally in 2015.

@Dashrender said:

Why are you doing this dev locally? Why not get a server? or get some compute power from a provider?

I actually have a handful of servers. Developing locally, at least w/ my workload, ends up being much, much faster because you don't have to wait for what can end up being hundreds of wire requests per second, the semi-trivial latency of each of which, when combined, ends up adding a palpable delay to each code iteration, which over time can end up being minutes to hours but more importantly break your stride. If you save your code and it renders instantly, well that's programmer heaven.

@Dashrender said:

You need even faster SSD performance than PCIe SSDs provide? for gaming?

The SSD performance is based on my observations around responsiveness. In the PCIe SSDs I've used, things were fast, but w/ a Samsung in rapid mode they're very, very, very fast feeling. Faster than just PCIe. I presume that's because it's writing most things to RAM before the SSD and moving on.

I don't play games, the occasional round of Dota 2 really. It's for web development and 3D modeling. Will be running a full serverware stack ( IIS, MySQL, J2EE app sever, Node ) locally 100% of the time, some VMs off in the background w/ Ubuntu and Windows, and some other random stuff.

Mostly I care about instantaneous responsiveness, which I'm finding I can't achieve w/ my new XPS 15 Skylake 6700HQ, 16GB DDR4, PCIE SSD, 960M laptop, probably because it's thin-ish and self-throttles a lot.

So, no, no gaming. The wifi will be for web browsing and remote desktop but ( didn't mention this, sorry ) is also moot because I don't have a wired option in the office I'm in. Good point though, thanks.

Win 10 Pro
i7-5820k
Water cooler
32GB DDR4-2133
NVidia GTX 980
256GB SSD
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/bluetooth

$1585.49 after taxes. It's a prebuilt but supports overclocking and most people w/ a similar model are reporting 4.0-4.5 without touching the internals at all. Because it's a prebuilt, there's no 980 TI option or I'd go w/ that. Wondering how much of a frog I'm eating versus building something similar from scratch, plan on using an 850 Pro in Rapid Mode to get much higher speeds than any M2/PCIe SSDs on the market right now.

Thx.

Dota 2. But... the same character every time. Worse than that though. The Wind Ranger.

@scottalanmiller said:

@creayt said:

@scottalanmiller said:

It has an embedded 3D scanner? Seriously? LOL That's freaking awesome.

It's the Intel 3D RealSense hardware, which is a few different embedded cameras and sensors that work in conjunction w/ software, one of the features I saw somewhere was scanning objects into 3D models... sounds pretty sweet, haven't read any reviews yet.

I assumed that that was the "why" people were getting it, but amazed that it is in an Envy laptop!

The more I watch the cooler this looks.

There's one demo of a guy scanning his face into a laptop and then a video game superimposes his likeness onto the main character as he plays it.

@scottalanmiller said:

It has an embedded 3D scanner? Seriously? LOL That's freaking awesome.

It's the Intel 3D RealSense hardware, which is a few different embedded cameras and sensors that work in conjunction w/ software, one of the features I saw somewhere was scanning objects into 3D models... sounds pretty sweet, haven't read any reviews yet.

New 17" HP models just came out

6th gen quad
RealSense 3D hardware
GTX 950M still

just ordered one. Can't take the i7-5500u seriously when the i7-6700HQ is available in the same chassis now.

And now I wait another 3 weeks, sigh.

If anyone else is interested, coupon code Envy25 takes 25% off of them. Mine took off almost $500 ( but went for every upgrade, you can get by a lot cheaper if you don't want the embedded 3D scanner ).

@MattSpeller said:

@creayt said:

The biggest hassle of ordering from HP though is THE GD WAIT.

Not to worry man, they're sending your gear to the NSA. You can feel safer already!

I actually would be totally down with that hahaha.

The biggest hassle of ordering from HP though is THE GD WAIT.

Order placed on 09/13, won't be here until 10/02.

They sell this model at Best Buy and on Amazon, but you can't swap out the drive or add more RAM because the bottom case is one single intricate piece that requires careful physical separation and dismantling and when I tried it it was impossible without special tools, so I ended up ordering an SSD one on their site.

The good news though is I think the SSD in the HP.com ones is an M2, which is nice and the price is very right.

Looks like they just went on sale. The decked out 512GB SSD model is now $1149.

http://store.hp.com/us/en/ConfigureView?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&catEntryId=960658&quantity=1

• I didn't read the replies, apologies if someone's already mentioned the new HPs. Here's a pic though, they're sexy:

http://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/Laptops/envy-17-204073--1#!

Envy 17t

i7-5500u / GTX 950 / 8GB ram @ $899
i7-5500u / GTX 950 / 16GB ram / 512GB SSD @ $1249

Spectacular keyboards and trackpads and screens and they look stunning in low-light ( interesting finish on the chassis ).

@dafyre said:

Once you pass the $800 mark for a small gaming rig with no screen... Why not spend the extra couple or three hundred dollars to actually get a decent gaming laptop?

I've seen 2 ads today fro the ASUS ROG Gaming laptops (I have no experience with that model laptop, but I generally like the ASUS stuff)

The ROGs ( at least my 17" 2015 model ) are absolutely sick and amazing in most respects. But the keyboard and trackpad are pretty terrible.

If the majority of your use will be gaming, it's probably a great fit, but if you want to type type type you may end up taking your own life.

I don't know how hardcore of a GPU you need, but if a GTX 950 ( 4GB ded ) works, HP has some epic 17" machines that are <$1,000 w/ Win 10 and that come w/ that that have amazing touchpads and keyboards, in the process of trading my ROG in for one, because typing is important to me.

@garak0410 said:

I am not anti-Apple and have no bone to pick with them. I am just heavily invested in a Microsoft world both at work and home and just prefer their ecosystem...BUT.........

Not that Apples announcements were earth shattering but as always, they make it look new and cool. I've been a patient Microsoft fan since the day I finally let go of my Amiga in 1992 as my full time PC. I even embraced Pocket PC through Windows Mobile 6.5, Zune and I actually own a Kin.

But is it me or does everything they seem to do feel half-baked or abandoned? Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy? What is the status of Kinect (some of us actually like it as a gaming device)? Why is Skype still not integrated and still showing LIVE ID's? Where are the tools to convert iOS and Android apps to Windows? Why has HoloLens been pushed way back? Where is our touch version of Windows Movie Maker? Where is a Microsoft equal to iLife? Why is waiting another 1-3 months for a flagship so painful? Where is the COHESION????? Why does everything and every idea seem so half-baked????

I totally love my XBOX One as a media center...I like Windows 10 despite it having a lot of half-baked features...I actually do use a third party app for my media, PLEX, since Microsoft Dropped Windows Media Center and it works quite well.

I think I have a legitimate vent here...LOL

I'ma say they are terribly misguided and could take their OS to new heights w/ a few simple steps, but compared to OS X they offer one distinct, deal-making advantage: Performance. Everything is much much more responsive in Windows than OS X. It's why I can't work on OS X and have been disappointed w/ every mac I've ever owned.

Hopefully they'll ditch the metroey looks and get an actual designer to redo windowing and icons, but still... Windows is just fast. That's why I use it, and that's why, with one eye closed, I love Microsoft. I don't want to imagine a world where I'd have to get work done w/ OS X or Ubuntu. Shiver. I just don't want to even imagine that.

P.S. Zunes were awesome!!!!! The Kin software looked sweet but I never played w/ one.

P.S.S. Image uploads still don't work in Chrome, 3 weeks later.

Kin Studio was ahead of its time:

Does anyone know how to get Windows to observe the surround setting for the task bar? Even though the resolution settings sett it as one big slab, the task bar seems to only want to span one monitor.

Having image upload issue again btw.