@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

We had a bidet accident with too much pressure and it literally blew the five year olds panties off!

So much for keeping things PG.

@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Driving in snow

Why are you Mangoing and Driving?

Probably because he needed to drive somewhere...

Excellent points, and something you would hope more companies would take into consideration before investing in "black box" solutions.

@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I went to the local Spicecorps meeting last night... 3 attendees. But I did win the door prize... a 3 pack of Ubiquiti WAPs, complete w/ the latest FW and a thumb drive w/ Unifi controller software.

That's a win

It really is. Because the support contract on the free Meraki WAP expires in a couple of weeks. So the company can buy 1 from me.

For $1 dollar cheaper than retail and shipping I assume

Or a dollar more. He has a long-standing relationship and that has to count for something.

Computer...

Add eggs to the shopping list.

"I've added eggs to the shopping list."

Oh, brother...

https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/24/amazons-new-echo-wake-word-makes-your-star-trek-dreams-come-true/

@JaredBusch said in What does your desk look like?:

@art_of_shred said in What does your desk look like?:

Still using DVD+R's???

No, had those for like 4 years now.

Is that your stand/sit setup?

@JaredBusch said in What does your desk look like?:

Still using DVD+R's???

This thread in a single frame...

@Dashrender said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

Language is a continuously changing thing. While it might be used for a lie, at what point is it no longer a lie, deception, whatever, and just part of the new norm?

How many words in any language change over time to mean something else, due to common usage? It's a known thing historically, so what makes a loosely-used nickname exempt?

@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

It's when you throw in that it can ONLY mean the first thing it referred to (a specific product, which it doesn't) that you become elitist and irrelevant.

Or it is when you say it can apply to anything you want that it becomes elitist and irrelevant. There is nothing "elite" in accuracy, we hope. If there is, than elite is the only acceptable thing. IF we are really saying that it is elitist to care about accuracy and honesty, then it is a horrible statement to state that someone is not.

Your view is too narrow and you cling to it as "higher" than other views. That's elitism in a nutshell. Those saying "pull the stick out of your a$$ and get off your high horse" are specifically not elitist and just want you to get over it. There is no specific definition in the source that you personally cited that says you are explicitly correct. It does say that was the first usage, but also accommodates other factors which you are unwilling to yield to, in order to maintain the elite view that first is best and only; all others are wrong.

I'm sorry if that sounded harsh. I'm not trying to belittle you or your opinion. I'm merely stating that you should have a little more flexibility. Everything is not so rigidly black and white.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

It's when you throw in that it can ONLY mean the first thing it referred to (a specific product, which it doesn't) that you become elitist and irrelevant.

Or it is when you say it can apply to anything you want that it becomes elitist and irrelevant. There is nothing "elite" in accuracy, we hope. If there is, than elite is the only acceptable thing. IF we are really saying that it is elitist to care about accuracy and honesty, then it is a horrible statement to state that someone is not.

Your view is too narrow and you cling to it as "higher" than other views. That's elitism in a nutshell. Those saying "pull the stick out of your a$$ and get off your high horse" are specifically not elitist and just want you to get over it. There is no specific definition in the source that you personally cited that says you are explicitly correct. It does say that was the first usage, but also accommodates other factors which you are unwilling to yield to, in order to maintain the elite view that first is best and only; all others are wrong.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

What this comes down to appears to be this: We know now what the term means in the industry and has always meant and now it comes down to some people care about honesty and some think that the truth is flexible. If siding with honesty is elitist, its the greatest compliment.

Realistically, it means "a computer case shaped like a pizza box", which can apply to a number of products. It happened to first be used to describe the Sparcstation and a few others, but I see no reference that explicitly claims anything other than shaped like a pizza box and generally accepted to be anything resembling that, such as a 1 or 2U server of varying configurations and depths. It's when you throw in that it can ONLY mean the first thing it referred to (a specific product, which it doesn't) that you become elitist and irrelevant.

That's why modern rackmounts don't qualify, but some old ones did. No one is making square ones any longer, but Sun used to (the V100 for example.) That was a rare rackmount pizza box.

The Wikipedia definition of sorts says varying depths in conjunction with rackmount. That means not explicitly square.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

What this comes down to appears to be this: We know now what the term means in the industry and has always meant and now it comes down to some people care about honesty and some think that the truth is flexible. If siding with honesty is elitist, its the greatest compliment.

Realistically, it means "a computer case shaped like a pizza box", which can apply to a number of products. It happened to first be used to describe the Sparcstation and a few others, but I see no reference that explicitly claims anything other than shaped like a pizza box and generally accepted to be anything resembling that, such as a 1 or 2U server of varying configurations and depths. It's when you throw in that it can ONLY mean the first thing it referred to (a specific product, which it doesn't) that you become elitist and irrelevant.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

Swastica: It was clearly not an attempt to mislead and they gave a new definition. While they might not have been insanely explicit in the re-use of it, there was no need to do so as there was no possibility of confusion as the two uses were so ridiculously different. It's safe to assume that no one ever thought that people would see the political symbol and think that it was the religious use of it. It was clear from the use that they were making a new use, no attempt to deceive (in that one particular case.)

Says who? What authority do you have other than your own personal opinion? Unless you have the minutes from the meeting in which it was adopted, you have conjecture and nothing more.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

Name any lie that can't be handled by claiming it is "just semantics". Clinton and what does "is" mean.

Well, your entire argument is invalid. Pizza boxes have pizza in them. End of story. If you call a computer a pizza box then you are a liar. I don't care if you have ever eaten pizza or heard of pizza. If you refer to anything other than a box of pizza as a "pizza box" then you are doing it wrong and obviously lying. The person who propagated the use of the term "pizza box" for a computer form factor is the greatest deceiver of all, as I'm sure he had foreknowledge of a box that held pizza.

It was clearly defined by the industry with no intent to mislead. So you've missed the point.

Then who is defined as "the industry"? There was an ad that metaphorically referred to the case as a pizza box. So a single ad set the industry standard, but thousands of people using a word doesn't mean anything because, whether or not they ever saw the ad, it existed and they are all liars.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

Name any lie that can't be handled by claiming it is "just semantics". Clinton and what does "is" mean.

Well, your entire argument is invalid. Pizza boxes have pizza in them. End of story. If you call a computer a pizza box then you are a liar. I don't care if you have ever eaten pizza or heard of pizza. If you refer to anything other than a box of pizza as a "pizza box" then you are doing it wrong and obviously lying. The person who propagated the use of the term "pizza box" for a computer form factor is the greatest deceiver of all, as I'm sure he had foreknowledge of a box that held pizza.

@JaredBusch said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@scottalanmiller no one is lying. You are fixated on something that you believe to be the one true thing. But it is only your belief. It is not a fact. Throw all the bull**** at it that you want, but it does not change the fact that you are being a complete f[moderated] ass.

It's just semantics. It's always just semantics.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@art_of_shred said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

If I said "I've worked on a pizza box; that means a 1U server, right?"... that is not lying because I am supplying the name AND providing the reference that I am using. It might be the wrong use of the term, but I am providing the underlying definition. There is no deceit.

If they neglected to qualify the statement by verifying the definition that you are meaning, that still does not equal deception. Oversight and misunderstanding do not equal lies.

It does actually. If they know that the term exists, which they know from the context of the sentence alone, and they answer knowing that they answered something without believing it to be true, they lied. If they did so by mistake, that's one thing (got distracted, forgot to provide definition) but you can't assume all blatant lies are just accidents.

And you can't just assume all accidents are blatant lies.

@scottalanmiller said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

Or... you are a bomb technician. You cut the "safe" wire because you were told that the green wire was safe by someone that was told that the green wire was safe who had someone just make up that green was safe because they were pretending to be a bomb expert. Are you still going to blow up? Yes.

If you're a smart bomb tech, you make sure you ask which one they mean when they "safe", before you cut anything. People might tend to be a bit more flippant when asked "have you worked on a pizza box?", and justifiably so.