Why is VMWare considered so often
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
That's like having a Chevy dealer that needs to explain the benefits of driving. realistically, everyone who comes in the door already knows why cars are nice.
No. You are not a Chevy dealer, you are a chevy accessories dealer.
If most people are driving Fords or BMWs, is it not in your interest to hype up the chevy to begin with?
No, because Ford people are not driving to a Chevy shop to look at parts. It's just not realistic. I don't go to a store for something that I don't want hoping that they will convince me to change everything anyway.
Have you ever heard of anyone who goes into a Chevy parts store even though they drove a Ford... just, you know, randomly. And THEN someone talked them into selling their Ford for a Chevy?
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@Breffni-Potter The one on the big screenshot you have posted yourself
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But what happens when your pool of customers stagnates? Surely that pool of 100k installs needs to get bigger.
Then they build other products.
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@scottalanmiller said
Have you ever heard of anyone who goes into a Chevy parts store even though they drove a Ford... just, you know, randomly. And THEN someone talked them into selling their Ford for a Chevy?
Yes...all the time. Happens on a regular basis.
http://www.smbitjournal.com/2011/07/never-get-advice-from-a-reseller-or-vendor/
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@olivier said
- The point is we are mainly targeting XenServer users. Why? Works out-of-the-box with them, market around 100k installs. Do you really think a company like ours can compete directly with VMWare or Microsoft?
Is the point to compete? Or is the point to say "here's the alternative, try this out, we think it's cool we endorse it"
Isn't the question "can Microsoft compete with XO?" And thus far, the answer is "no".
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
Have you ever heard of anyone who goes into a Chevy parts store even though they drove a Ford... just, you know, randomly. And THEN someone talked them into selling their Ford for a Chevy?
Yes...all the time. Happens on a regular basis.
http://www.smbitjournal.com/2011/07/never-get-advice-from-a-reseller-or-vendor/
No, that's VERY different. Those people made the decision to "buy what was being sold" when they selected them. That's going to the Chevy DEALER to get advice, not going to the Chevy parts store. No one does that, literally, no one. You just don't go into a parts store that is exclusively for something you don't use. No one does.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But what happens when your pool of customers stagnates? Surely that pool of 100k installs needs to get bigger.
That's sweet and candid
Do you really think we'll stop there? I said to start and have enough customers to cover our expenses. There is multiple ways to be profitable: increase your conversion rate, increase your average basket, add extra services, expand your product (ie HyperV compatible?). -
@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But what happens when your pool of customers stagnates? Surely that pool of 100k installs needs to get bigger.
That's sweet and candid
Do you really think we'll stop there? I said to start and have enough customers to cover our expenses. There is multiple ways to be profitable: increase your conversion rate, increase your average basket, add extra services, expand your product (ie HyperV compatible?).And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward. XS has gaps, XO fills them. As that happens, the resistance to XS reduces. But people don't go to XO and say "I want XO, what hypervisor do they support." They compare XS to ESXi and XO helps to make sure that XS has features that ESXi can't touch.
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@scottalanmiller said
And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward.
Which is basically my point. If someone is researching it as an alternative, why would the tool not big up the platform it runs on?
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But what happens when your pool of customers stagnates? Surely that pool of 100k installs needs to get bigger.
That's sweet and candid
Do you really think we'll stop there? I said to start and have enough customers to cover our expenses. There is multiple ways to be profitable: increase your conversion rate, increase your average basket, add extra services, expand your product (ie HyperV compatible?).And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward. XS has gaps, XO fills them. As that happens, the resistance to XS reduces. But people don't go to XO and say "I want XO, what hypervisor do they support." They compare XS to ESXi and XO helps to make sure that XS has features that ESXi can't touch.
Exactly. Win win for us and Citrix.
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@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
But what happens when your pool of customers stagnates? Surely that pool of 100k installs needs to get bigger.
That's sweet and candid
Do you really think we'll stop there? I said to start and have enough customers to cover our expenses. There is multiple ways to be profitable: increase your conversion rate, increase your average basket, add extra services, expand your product (ie HyperV compatible?).And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward. XS has gaps, XO fills them. As that happens, the resistance to XS reduces. But people don't go to XO and say "I want XO, what hypervisor do they support." They compare XS to ESXi and XO helps to make sure that XS has features that ESXi can't touch.
Exactly. Win win for us and Citrix.
And probably the Linux foundation.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward.
Which is basically my point. If someone is researching it as an alternative, why would the tool not big up the platform it runs on?
Because no one is finding it that way. No one looks at XO and says "I should change my platform to use this." It's not just realistic. It's the other way around, XO beefs up XS features so that XS is more competitive.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
And XO causes back pressure that propels XS forward.
Which is basically my point. If someone is researching it as an alternative, why would the tool not big up the platform it runs on?
Because no one is finding it that way. No one looks at XO and says "I should change my platform to use this." It's not just realistic. It's the other way around, XO beefs up XS features so that XS is more competitive.
I go to Xen Server.
I then go to Xen OrchestraOn the second site....there is yet another chance to pitch/convey the benefits of the former.
If the person buys into the former, surely they will buy into the latter.
So surely XO bigs it up as XS people who research XS might end up on XO to look at how to manage XS.
Does that make more sense?
Again, you keep coming back to the parts store idea but if someone wants to research if they can even buy parts in their region, why would they not be looking at parts shops in their area?
In this case, why would you buy into a hyper-visor unless you also had the tools to manage it. XO is a tool.
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Again...
VMWare is crazy expensive, but they get this stuff right. Which is why you have so many people sticking up for VMWare now.
What I'm saying is, for low cost methods to promo this which don't need 100 mill, are they all being done?
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Technical glitch or comedy?
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@Breffni-Potter Let me guess, trailing space in your email?
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@olivier said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter Let me guess, trailing space in your email?
Nope.
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Or space before? I can see your account is created in the database.
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Case sensitive emails are apparently a thing.
Thanks @DustinB3403
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Basically, the OP of the topic was
"Why is VMWare considered so often"
They've got lots of money, lots of people and lots of partnership details to constantly re-enforce the idea of VMware being the best and most reliable. It falls down under scrutiny but that's another topic.
So my thing with Xen Orchestra is, if you can do the same thing on a small scale, to help encourage people to think about XenServer. Why would that not be a good thing for you, you don't need to set your sights on 100 million marketing campaigns but can something be done.
