Network Security - UTM
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What do you for email? If it's O365, you already have SharePoint (most likely) as part of that.
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@Dashrender said:
What do you for email? If it's O365, you already have SharePoint (most likely) as part of that.
I don't think that most people with Hosted Exchange have SharePoint, too. It's in the first upgrade, but the percentage of people on pure Hosted Exchange is pretty high, I think.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
What do you for email? If it's O365, you already have SharePoint (most likely) as part of that.
I don't think that most people with Hosted Exchange have SharePoint, too. It's in the first upgrade, but the percentage of people on pure Hosted Exchange is pretty high, I think.
Until you posted about the ability to purchase pure hosted Exchange from Microsoft, I was under the impression that all that could be purchased was O365 the SMB levels or E1 - both which include SharePoint.
Has NTG sold a lot of Hosted Exchange only?
And even if you have, of course you've always know about this option, so could easily steer your clients to the correct purchase.But I wonder how many SMBs just buy it direct, never even talking to a company like NTG, and therefore don't know about the hosted only solution?
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@Dashrender said:
Has NTG sold a lot of Hosted Exchange only?
Yes, and of companies that I have spoken to just in general, it is far and away the popular product. As it is the only one used for price comparisons I feel like it is talked about something like 90% of the time.
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@Dashrender said:
But I wonder how many SMBs just buy it direct, never even talking to a company like NTG, and therefore don't know about the hosted only solution?
The Hosted Exchange solution is so common that I think there is just some confusion about why a few companies are not aware of it. I see it talked about constantly in the SMB space.
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Just doing the easiest search for Office 365 Exchange, it is hard to miss...
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Given that all the talk and price comparisons are via the $4 Hosted Exchange option, wouldn't it be weird for someone not to find it or look for it? It's like every discussion around hosted email services. The things that are always said are...
- Rackspace is $2 rack and $1 if you know about the deals.
- Amazon and Office 365 are $4
- Google is just over $4
Those are the details of pricing for the entire enterprise email market.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Given that all the talk and price comparisons are via the $4 Hosted Exchange option, wouldn't it be weird for someone not to find it or look for it? It's like every discussion around hosted email services. The things that are always said are...
- Rackspace is $2 rack and $1 if you know about the deals.
- Amazon and Office 365 are $4
- Google is just over $4
Those are the details of pricing for the entire enterprise email market.
The fact that the pricing was splashed around everywhere that I knew something was wrong everytime I was looking at O365, because the cheapest thing I could find was $5/u/m.
To me the confusion comes in many places, not the least of which is the fact that MS does NOT include it in the pricing lineup with O365, as if it does not exist.
Sure it's not hiding, but it's not in plain site either.
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@Dashrender said:
To me the confusion comes in many places, not the least of which is the fact that MS does NOT include it in the pricing lineup with O365, as if it does not exist.
Comes right up when I looked for it. Did you see the screenshot? Search for Office 365 Exchange pricing, that's what comes up second.
Office 365 is a subscription license model, like VL. So looking for O365 pricing alone would be just as weird as looking up the price of "Volume Licensing." Or what is the price of "retail boxes"?
Retail boxes of... what?
I think that is the problem, searching for a licensing model rather than the product sought. The people who are looking for email hosting I suspect find it immediately.
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For example, here is the most generic search that I could think of... "hosted email." Not looking for Exchange, not looking for O365, not looking for Microsoft... just someone hosting my email.
First two hits are Rackspace's $2 option and Microsoft O365 Hosted Exchange for $4. No hint of other Office 365 products at all.
Someone looking for email, I think, would be as oblivious to the SMB MS Office packages via O365 as you were to the hosted email ones.
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That's definitely true - I never did a google search.
In this case I knew to much and it was biting me in the ass.
I knew that O365 included Hosted Exchange - so stupid me figured, well, the base package should be JUST Hosted Exchange, which of course it's not.
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@Dashrender said:
I knew that O365 included Hosted Exchange - so stupid me figured, well, the base package should be JUST Hosted Exchange, which of course it's not.
Well, it is. The base email package is
Just not the base MS Office package. There is one base package that is only Visio.I can't look at the Office 365 site from here. No matter what you tell it, it displays in Greek and since there isn't even Latin letters there, I can't find any way to set it to English. Another total failure of geographic IP detection. I'm "in" Greece but did not request a Greek site. I even typed in the language code where they put the Greek code but because it is detecting me in Greece it changes back to Greek when rendering the page. Pretty basic website error for a company like MS. They simply work hard to block non-Greek speakers in Greece.
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Yes we only have Mail boxes at the moment but will be moving tenants once all have been migrated (don't ask ... f**k*ng CRM!!)
We do plan on looking more closely at SharePoint and OneDrive over the next 12 months to get rid of file shares on the server and network. I'll then use the NAS for backups
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I just thought.........
If we take the Citrix for example and I want to "publish" to all the sites via the internet. Wouldn't I need something to "secure" the inbound/Outbound traffic to prevent it being a point for hackers??
Or would something like a Ubiquiti Edge Router be enough? or am I missing something here?
Excuse the silly questions but as I mentioned this is the largest company I've worked for so my mind still thinks in LAN terms lol.
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@hobbit666 said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@hobbit666 Did someone say PCI? Hold everything!
What level of PCI compliance are you working towards? Or has the goal not been set yet?
No idea its a "buzz" word i've been hearing from meetings that i've not been attending. Most coming from the Credit Control dept and our CRM person
@hobbit666 It's not a buzz word.
- You need to get clarity on what they are trying to do and help them achieve it.You could very easily find yourself with an auditor breathing down your neck with a system design that is non compliant.
So the first question, are they going for self assessment? Which means far more relaxed requirements.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@hobbit666 said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@hobbit666 Did someone say PCI? Hold everything!
What level of PCI compliance are you working towards? Or has the goal not been set yet?
No idea its a "buzz" word i've been hearing from meetings that i've not been attending. Most coming from the Credit Control dept and our CRM person
@hobbit666 It's not a buzz word.
- You need to get clarity on what they are trying to do and help them achieve it.You could very easily find yourself with an auditor breathing down your neck with a system design that is non compliant.
So the first question, are they going for self assessment? Which means far more relaxed requirements.
Yeah I think the people in charge looking into PCI and other aspects of data protection etc are trying to get to grips on where we lye with them in terms of what we need to be compliant.
e.g. we don't store Credit Card details anywhere on our equipment. But we do have personnel information and credit details as we deal with accounts for people purchasing goods. But we are also moving into the world of lending people money to get farms stocked and running.
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@hobbit666 said:
If we take the Citrix for example and I want to "publish" to all the sites via the internet. Wouldn't I need something to "secure" the inbound/Outbound traffic to prevent it being a point for hackers??
Citrix is designed for example that exposure. Like a secure website, it is already secured. While securing it "again" does make it more secure, you don't normally make people use a VPN before going to a website, right?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@hobbit666 It's not a buzz word.
In IT it is. People don't know how to do it, what it is for, when it is needed but throw the term about like cloud, SAN and other things that they don't understand.
As someone who has to come along after fake PCI auditors and deal with the networks that they expose and unsecure, I assure you to both the majority of IT firms and nearly all businesses, it is nothing but a buzz word.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@hobbit666 said:
If we take the Citrix for example and I want to "publish" to all the sites via the internet. Wouldn't I need something to "secure" the inbound/Outbound traffic to prevent it being a point for hackers??
Citrix is designed for example that exposure. Like a secure website, it is already secured. While securing it "again" does make it more secure, you don't normally make people use a VPN before going to a website, right?
So in essence choosing the right Core/Edge/In the middle equipment for the network at that location will go a long way in getting rid of the "old" LAN/WAN thinking and move to an enterprise model?
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@hobbit666 said:
So in essence choosing the right Core/Edge/In the middle equipment for the network at that location will go a long way in getting rid of the "old" LAN/WAN thinking and move to an enterprise model?
Well it would encourage it less. But spending a fortune on things like a UTM encourage people to think in a LAN way because of where the money goes, because it makes them feel like the LAN is safe when it is only nominally safer at best, etc.
And don't think of it as LAN vs. Enterprise. It's legacy (LAN) vs. future (LANless.) Not about size.
