P2V from Lenovo Laptop to Recover PST
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@dafyre said:
His end goal is to recover files from a system that won't boot, not allow the customer to access it remotely. How does that cause it to become VDI?
His goal is a red herring. It is his actions that cause the issue. You can't P2V Windows desktops OSes without going into VDI. See all of @BRRABill's threads about this exact use case the past few weeks, even Microsoft has been on the threads. Using virtualization as a backup and recovery method falls under VDI and the licensing is intense.
He has methods open to him to do this without virtualization and the customer had options before getting to this point.
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The VDI bit is a little confusing. Technically the OS cannot be virtualized - period. It's a Home OEM version (we can assume.) Both home and OEM versions cannot be virtualized or made into VDI. So this would be a violation of the licensing in even more concrete ways.
Bottom line, no matter how you look at it, virtualization cannot be used here.
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Scott is of course correct. So if you can recover the files directly, great - frankly that would be a ton easier anyhow, just slave up the drive to another system and pull the files, import them into something else, you're done.
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Maybe I am not thinking this through, but if this is Windows Live Mail or something similar isn't everything hosted online?
I guess maybe the user has some old messages archived, but Outlook.com offers unlimited mailbox storage so I am not sure why the user isn't just creating folders within their Outlook.com mailbox.
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@IRJ said:
Maybe I am not thinking this through, but if this is Windows Live Mail or something similar isn't everything hosted online?
I guess maybe the user has some old messages archived, but Outlook.com offers unlimited mailbox storage so I am not sure why the user isn't just creating folders within their Outlook.com mailbox.
That assumes the user is using Outlook.com and not a third party like say Cox.net etc.
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@Dashrender said:
I would put the image onto a network drive, then boot your VM with the Clonezilla ISO do a SMB connection and pull the image back down.
That won't work here. Sadly. I'm creating the image now and are going to try and load it into either Virtualbox or Hyper-V.
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@art_of_shred said:
@Dashrender said:
No worries, we all get stuck on crazy little things at times... Well maybe not Scott, but the rest of us normals.
Right...
He has no idea...ROFL
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@Dashrender said:
@IRJ said:
Maybe I am not thinking this through, but if this is Windows Live Mail or something similar isn't everything hosted online?
I guess maybe the user has some old messages archived, but Outlook.com offers unlimited mailbox storage so I am not sure why the user isn't just creating folders within their Outlook.com mailbox.
That assumes the user is using Outlook.com and not a third party like say Cox.net etc.
Right, and in this case, @thanksajdotcom statted that it is an ISP POP3 email system. not Outlook.com.
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@IRJ said:
Maybe I am not thinking this through, but if this is Windows Live Mail or something similar isn't everything hosted online?
I guess maybe the user has some old messages archived, but Outlook.com offers unlimited mailbox storage so I am not sure why the user isn't just creating folders within their Outlook.com mailbox.
Issue is the email was pulled from an ISP email, which uses POP3, not IMAP/
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I've tried to recover from the old Outlook Express - the files weren't stored in any type of normal format. Real Outlook for example could not import from OE files.
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@scottalanmiller , if this was going to be an ongoing used machine, I'd agree with the licensing part, but this machine is going to be scrapped the moment I have the data I need, assuming I can get it. It's not ongoing.
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@Dashrender said:
I've tried to recover from the old Outlook Express - the files weren't stored in any type of normal format. Real Outlook for example could not import from OE files.
Same issue that you have with Windows Live mail, etc.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
I would put the image onto a network drive, then boot your VM with the Clonezilla ISO do a SMB connection and pull the image back down.
That won't work here. Sadly. I'm creating the image now and are going to try and load it into either Virtualbox or Hyper-V.
How can it not work there? If you have the image to look at it, then you can mount it. The two go together.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Issue is the email was pulled from an ISP email, which uses POP3, not IMAP/
POP3, while silly, is not the issue. It is a setting from the end user to delete the files on download. POP3 can keep the files on the server. It's not a protocol issue, it is end user decisions.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller , if this was going to be an ongoing used machine, I'd agree with the licensing part, but this machine is going to be scrapped the moment I have the data I need, assuming I can get it. It's not ongoing.
Not a factor. Are you making a VM? Then you have violated the licensing. No grey area. No room for doubt. This is a license violation.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
I would put the image onto a network drive, then boot your VM with the Clonezilla ISO do a SMB connection and pull the image back down.
That won't work here. Sadly. I'm creating the image now and are going to try and load it into either Virtualbox or Hyper-V.
What about it won't work? Where is your Hyper-V install? You can simply copy the Image and the Clonezilla to the Hyper-V host and use everything from there, you'll have to devise a way to give the VM access to the image file though.
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Train the user to use Outlook.com in the future. It is fully functional and if they are going to use POP3 anyway, there is no reason they need Outlook.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
I've tried to recover from the old Outlook Express - the files weren't stored in any type of normal format. Real Outlook for example could not import from OE files.
Same issue that you have with Windows Live mail, etc.
A recovery decision made by the end user. The cost of recovery needs to be paid for by them...
They decided to...
- Use a ridiculous email service instead of a good, free one that is protected.
- To set POP3 to delete.
- To use Windows Live Mail (instead of Thunderbird or whatever).
- To forego backups.
Violating Microsoft licensing on their behalf now is not appropriate. Microsoft is not at fault here. I'm sorry that the customer did not realize that they were doing one bad thing after another, but they alone bear the fault here. Their failures do not make you, Staples or Microsoft required to violate licensing on the customer's behalf.
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@Dashrender said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
I would put the image onto a network drive, then boot your VM with the Clonezilla ISO do a SMB connection and pull the image back down.
That won't work here. Sadly. I'm creating the image now and are going to try and load it into either Virtualbox or Hyper-V.
What about it won't work? Where is your Hyper-V install? You can simply copy the Image and the Clonezilla to the Hyper-V host and use everything from there, you'll have to devise a way to give the VM access to the image file though.
He can access the clonezilla image by booting the VM with a clonezilla ISO.
Also before you go through all of that hassle, check on the Drive and look in C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail
The WLM Database should be located in there.
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From MS:
WLM stores emails as individual .eml files.
They are normally located in C:\Users<userlogin>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail, but you can move the default location.
