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    FreeNAS vs Hardware NAS

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      The majority of NAS products in the SMB category are literally just taking stock servers (normally SuperMicro) and slapping Linux, FreeBSD or OpenSolaris on them, choosing software RAID and making a special management interface for customers to use that hide the majority of the OS from them.

      The value to a NAS comes in being ready to use out of the box and the end to end support from the vendor.

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      • scottalanmillerS
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        Now high end NAS can have a lot of proprietary and "special sauce" ingredients that make them unique or special. Exablox OneBlox, for example, does proprietary RAIN and has really simple to use scalability. NetApp makes their own RAID level called RAID-DP (a dual parity version of RAID 4.) None of this really happens in the general SMB range of gear.

        The original SAM-SD concept was developed to show that a $20K Red Hat Linux fileserver built on a stock HP Proliant DL585 could outperform a $500K NetApp for NFS sharing in a large cluster for a major bank. And it did, by a large degree in both performance and in reliability.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          So once you've had time to digest all of this.... what is the real question that you are asking? What is it that you really want to know?

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
            last edited by scottalanmiller

            As a point of interest.... the TrueNAS NAS products are a traditional NAS and use FreeNAS as the OS on them. They use mid end server hardware (SuperMicro specifically), a NAS OS you would not normally consider for production use on its own, are based on an OS that is not considered good for storage and use software RAID.

            You can easily build vastly better hardware, opt for hardware RAID if you want, get better support options (from vendors like HP, Dell and Fujitsu) and use a faster storage OS (like Linux or the Solaris family) for less money and beat the TrueNAS product in speed, reliability and cost.

            The TrueNAS value is getting full vendor support from one vendor for the entire product. The downside is that you spend extra money getting less and it is almost impossible for a vendor like iX to provide the four or six hour response options and massive globally availability logistical supply chains of HP and Dell. TrueNAS is comparable to ReadyNAS or Synology in this case, so in that regards it is fine, when you have inclusive support.

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            • IT-ADMINI
              IT-ADMIN
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              wow long article, i understand that physical NAS is better that software NAS
              thank you very much, i will go and buy a physical NAS with 2 HD in and put it in RAID 1, i think i will buy a D-Link

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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                @IT-ADMIN said:

                wow long article, i understand that physical NAS is better that software NAS

                You missed the point of this information. The point what that you cannot compare the two conceptually.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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                  @IT-ADMIN said:

                  thank you very much, i will go and buy a physical NAS with 2 HD in and put it in RAID 1, i think i will buy a D-Link

                  Absolutely nothing that I posted should lead you to think that that is a good idea.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    If all that you need is two disks, then you will not be looking at building your own because there is no practical hardware for that on the market.

                    But if you are looking at consumer junk like D-Link, then why did you ask a question about performance and reliability? That does not fit. Your question would direct you in a different direction than your conclusion.

                    If you are looking at two bay NAS devices, your only reasonable options are ReadyNAS and Synology (or the ioSafe version of Synology.)

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                    • IT-ADMINI
                      IT-ADMIN @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @IT-ADMIN said:

                      thank you very much, i will go and buy a physical NAS with 2 HD in and put it in RAID 1, i think i will buy a D-Link

                      Absolutely nothing that I posted should lead you to think that that is a good idea.

                      hahaha sorry i leave the webpage for a long time without refreshing it, i didn't see all of your post until now, i was busy reading that article you send me

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                      • IT-ADMINI
                        IT-ADMIN @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        Now the next set of issues is understand the concepts of the question. So let us start by defining what the question is about:

                        FreeBSD (and Similar) are NAS OSes. They are just a normal operating system with a web (or similar) interface added on to them for the purpose of managing the storage functions of the OS and hiding other functions. That's all. They are just an OS. It is just the software.

                        NAS is a hardware appliance that takes a server and a NAS OS and provides it as a single package of hardware and software with only an exposed interface for the storage functions (and necessary other configuration) and hiding most of the OS. That's all a NAS implies.

                        i think you wanted to write FreeNAS instead of FreeBSD , a typo right ?

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                        • IT-ADMINI
                          IT-ADMIN
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                          @hubtechagain said:

                          so, is .

                          @hubtechagain said:

                          this a

                          @hubtechagain said:

                          joke?

                          what is this ???

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                            thank you very much, i will go and buy a physical NAS with 2 HD in and put it in RAID 1, i think i will buy a D-Link

                            Absolutely nothing that I posted should lead you to think that that is a good idea.

                            hahaha sorry i leave the webpage for a long time without refreshing it, i didn't see all of your post until now, i was busy reading that article you send me

                            Ah ha. No problem. That's odd that it is not refreshing on its own, though. It should.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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                              @IT-ADMIN said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              Now the next set of issues is understand the concepts of the question. So let us start by defining what the question is about:

                              FreeBSD (and Similar) are NAS OSes. They are just a normal operating system with a web (or similar) interface added on to them for the purpose of managing the storage functions of the OS and hiding other functions. That's all. They are just an OS. It is just the software.

                              NAS is a hardware appliance that takes a server and a NAS OS and provides it as a single package of hardware and software with only an exposed interface for the storage functions (and necessary other configuration) and hiding most of the OS. That's all a NAS implies.

                              i think you wanted to write FreeNAS instead of FreeBSD , a typo right ?

                              Yes. You are correct.

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                              • IT-ADMINI
                                IT-ADMIN
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                                actually i have an issue, my topic doesnt appear in the list of topics ???

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                                • mlnewsM
                                  mlnews @IT-ADMIN
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                                  @IT-ADMIN said:

                                  actually i have an issue, my topic doesnt appear in the list of topics ???

                                  In which list of topics?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    I see it showing up in the "unread" list as usual.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Looping back to this, in the past month I've worked with three different companies that all experienced significant data loss or downtime because of their choice of FreeNAS. Two suffered from not having front loaded their engineering and had an inability to support their servers during routine operations and caused major outages because of it along with significant cost for repairs, and one company that lost its data because of unnecessary bugs in the FreeNAS GUI code that would have been avoided has they been simply on FreeBSD.

                                      Additionally this past week FreeNAS 10 "Coral" was demonstrated to be so incredibly unstable a month after being released that they had to recall the release and revert to a "beta" status indefinitely. For a trivial end user application this would be bad, for a critical storage infrastructure component on which companies need to have rock solid faith, it's unthinkable.

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