Competitors for Exablox
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
The lack of data duplication still weirds me out though, probably because I don't really understand OBS. As Scott said, I'll still need a backup system. AFAIK if you have 3+ of these things it's still not duplicating data between them
The data is still duplicated, that doesn't change. This isn't some crazy solution without duplication.
When you insert a new drive it claims to give you 100% (or close) to that space, do they reclaim that with their internal de-dupe?
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@MattSpeller said:
I still can't see how they're alone in this SMB NAS segment, it seems a little too good to be true
They are not in the SMB NAS segment at all. This is enterprise storage. They are all alone because this is an incredibly niche solution. It would be extremely rare for Exablox to make any sense for an SMB. What company needs nothing but SMB protocol today and would want it on dedicated hardware? Not many, mostly only very large firms using it for just one specific portion of their storage needs.
It's a great product but neither its price nor its technology make it an SMB product. It makes total sense that they are alone.
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@MattSpeller said:
When you insert a new drive it claims to give you 100% (or close) to that space, do they reclaim that with their internal de-dupe?
I don't know how the space allocation and display work, I'm not sure how they are showing it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
When you insert a new drive it claims to give you 100% (or close) to that space, do they reclaim that with their internal de-dupe?
I don't know how the space allocation and display work, I'm not sure how they are showing it.
They show it's 1:1 - put in a 2tb drive, get 2tb more space. Creeps me out! I chalk it up to not understanding OBS and how their setup works internally
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I clearly have a lot more reading and learning to do about these things.
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@MattSpeller said:
My stumbling block with them while doing my research seems to be the $/GB
For $10k (my assumed cost of a single OneBlox) you can get a kick ass server with really sexy stuff
Another thing to remember when comparing it to a windows server is that windows file servers don’t have dedupe, CDP, backup target, replication, scale out, and cloud management.
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@lance said:
Another thing to remember when comparing it to a windows server is that windows servers don’t have dedupe, CDP, backup target, replication, scale out, and cloud management.
What Windows Server are you using? Windows has scale out, replication, dedupe, compression, etc.
Cloud management is nice, but just use LogMeIn and you have that with Windows. Easy peasy.
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@MattSpeller said:
For $10k (my assumed cost of a single OneBlox) you can get a kick ass server with really sexy stuff
$10K is a huge price, though. It's not very sexy until you use the scale out feature, and that is a minimum of two of these $10K units. And you are not big enough for it to make sense until you go another unit bigger. So realistically, it's $30K to get started and that doesn't include the disks. So that's a ton more money. It's not that cheap until you leverage the scale out feature that it is built around.
And then you are limited to nothing but SMB. It's a great scale out SMB system at a good price. But that's not something many people need, at least not in the small business space. When you need it, it's the best solution out there.
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@MattSpeller said:
I clearly have a lot more reading and learning to do about these things.
Hi MattSpeller, I'm Sean (Sr. Director, Product Management @Exablox). As SAM mentions we're unique in this space. I'd be happy to have a conversation and answer any questions you have. Since we have an object-based file system 'under' SMB that we make accessible to applications and clients we have a lot of flexibility in managing your information efficiently.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
For $10k (my assumed cost of a single OneBlox) you can get a kick ass server with really sexy stuff
$10K is a huge price, though. It's not very sexy until you use the scale out feature, and that is a minimum of two of these $10K units. And you are not big enough for it to make sense until you go another unit bigger. So realistically, it's $30K to get started and that doesn't include the disks. So that's a ton more money. It's not that cheap until you leverage the scale out feature that it is built around.
And then you are limited to nothing but SMB. It's a great scale out SMB system at a good price. But that's not something many people need, at least not in the small business space.
I've always wondered what market Exablock is marketing toward. It just seems like a product that you won't see the benefits/advantages over traditional storage until you are in the 10's of TBs with 10-30% yearly growth where re-provisioning a storage server would take a silly amount of time.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
When you insert a new drive it claims to give you 100% (or close) to that space, do they reclaim that with their internal de-dupe?
I don't know how the space allocation and display work, I'm not sure how they are showing it.
They show it's 1:1 - put in a 2tb drive, get 2tb more space. Creeps me out! I chalk it up to not understanding OBS and how their setup works internally
we report a few things. We report raw storage capacity, usable capacity, and your deduplication ratio for the OneBlox. As your applications write data, we deduplicate it and protect it from 2 drive (or 2 OneBlox) failures. This is all represented in raw/usable capacity reporting.
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@SeanExablox said:
Hi MattSpeller, I'm Sean (Sr. Director, Product Management @Exablox).
Hey Sean! Great to see you here. Great to see vendors actively watching the threads.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@SeanExablox said:
Hi MattSpeller, I'm Sean (Sr. Director, Product Management @Exablox).
Hey Sean! Great to see you here. Great to see vendors actively watching the threads.
Thanks! Great to 'be' here!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@lance said:
Another thing to remember when comparing it to a windows server is that windows servers don’t have dedupe, CDP, backup target, replication, scale out, and cloud management.
What Windows Server are you using? Windows has scale out, replication, dedupe, compression, etc.
Cloud management is nice, but just use LogMeIn and you have that with Windows. Easy peasy.
It looks like Server 2012 introduced dedup, I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks
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@coliver said:
I've always wondered what market Exablock is marketing toward. It just seems like a product that you won't see the benefits/advantages over traditional storage until you are in the 10's of TBs with 10-30% yearly growth where re-provisioning a storage server would take a silly amount of time.
It's pretty much anyone who needs medium scale or larger, dedicated SMB storage. If you need scaling, it gets even better, but just large SMB needs is enough. It's amazing as a large scale backup target, as an example. Or a great way to provide large scale file storage for user storage, for example. If you are looking to handle lots of "mapped drives" and personal files, this is an ideal platform once you get to the scale where it makes sense.
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@lance said:
It looks like Server 2012 introduced dedup, I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks
Windows Dedupe is good. Their scale out is crap, though. But they are working on it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
For $10k (my assumed cost of a single OneBlox) you can get a kick ass server with really sexy stuff
$10K is a huge price, though. It's not very sexy until you use the scale out feature, and that is a minimum of two of these $10K units. And you are not big enough for it to make sense until you go another unit bigger. So realistically, it's $30K to get started and that doesn't include the disks. So that's a ton more money. It's not that cheap until you leverage the scale out feature that it is built around.
And then you are limited to nothing but SMB. It's a great scale out SMB system at a good price. But that's not something many people need, at least not in the small business space. When you need it, it's the best solution out there.
SAM is correct. One of the biggest value props of Exablox is our scale-out. Going from 4TB to 50TB over some period of time huge growth! Instead of buying something that may support you in 3 years, just buy what you need today. As your needs change (and they always will) simply add more storage/OneBlox and you'll never have to do a forklift upgrade again. Moreover, since you source your own drives (yourself or your partner) your $/TB will only decrease over time and will do so rapidly.
PS. The $10k is list price. With our YE special it will be significantly less than that.
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@lance said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@lance said:
Another thing to remember when comparing it to a windows server is that windows servers don’t have dedupe, CDP, backup target, replication, scale out, and cloud management.
What Windows Server are you using? Windows has scale out, replication, dedupe, compression, etc.
Cloud management is nice, but just use LogMeIn and you have that with Windows. Easy peasy.
It looks like Server 2012 introduced dedup, I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks
yes Server 2012 has file dedupe, but I don't believe it a dedupe target for Backup Exec, Veeam, others. Moreover, without CDP (immutable) it's not a persistent protection scheme for primary data.
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@SeanExablox said:
@lance said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@lance said:
Another thing to remember when comparing it to a windows server is that windows servers don’t have dedupe, CDP, backup target, replication, scale out, and cloud management.
What Windows Server are you using? Windows has scale out, replication, dedupe, compression, etc.
Cloud management is nice, but just use LogMeIn and you have that with Windows. Easy peasy.
It looks like Server 2012 introduced dedup, I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks
yes Server 2012 has file dedupe, but I don't believe it a dedupe target for Backup Exec, Veeam, others. Moreover, without CDP (immutable) it's not a persistent protection scheme for primary data.
Gotcha
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
I've always wondered what market Exablock is marketing toward. It just seems like a product that you won't see the benefits/advantages over traditional storage until you are in the 10's of TBs with 10-30% yearly growth where re-provisioning a storage server would take a silly amount of time.
It's pretty much anyone who needs medium scale or larger, dedicated SMB storage. If you need scaling, it gets even better, but just large SMB needs is enough. It's amazing as a large scale backup target, as an example. Or a great way to provide large scale file storage for user storage, for example. If you are looking to handle lots of "mapped drives" and personal files, this is an ideal platform once you get to the scale where it makes sense.
We are introducing NFS now as well. So those that need SMB (3.0)/NFS file services and video storage (we have a number of non-profits using for digital asset management)
