Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish
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@Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research
Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.
you mean type 2, right? its okay i can correct you all day...
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research
I hope your planning on using it for application development, testing or demoing, because MS gives out those licences like candy, and that's what people sell (illegitimately) for cheap
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research
Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.
you mean type 2, right?
Obv.
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@Emad-R said in [Using GNU\Linux on your
why the fuck should i go buy 1000$, go blow your money for bragging rights, if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research
Then do it and quit bitching. If you can't handle Linux that's fine. Most people can't.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..
Actually I find the opposite. We have continuous issues with Windows (but less than in the past for sure) and essentially zero with Linux. In fact, when printing to our Brother printers here in the office, anyone with Windows has to get someone with Ubuntu to print for them! On Ubuntu it works with zero config, on Windows, it always breaks.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
and if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder
Why not SSH using the built in SSH and terminal that Windows comes with natively? No reason to add something.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.
By that logic, Windows isn't meant for anything, haha.
Linux makes a far smoother, faster, more reliable workstation experience than Windows in my experience. And every new user we introduce to it agrees. We never see someone say Windows works better, or is easier, or has better support. I have absolutely no idea how you are having Linux issues, but for most people, it's so incredibly smooth and well polished that it blows their minds that anyone is using Windows once they see how easy it is.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Windows updates are manageable by a simple script that can toggle the updates service on/off but the cost sucks,but if you find a good deal fuck linux/ fuck ubuntu / fuck fedora..
Yeah... but now you are suggesting that you have to script and be an expert to get basic functionality working that Linux just handles.
Sure, experts can get Windows to work, but you shouldn't need to be an expert to get desktop basics working.
IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.
As an MSP, customers going to Linux is scary, because our support needs get cut in half.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
And Windows can be safe if your smart user
If you are a smart user. But Linux can be safe for everyday users.
No one has argued that Windows is unusable by experts. But that's a ridiculous standard when Linux is safer and easier out of the box, and more capable for experts.
You are arguing that Windows "isn't that bad". But it's more expensive, and not as good. That's all that matters.
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@Emad-R you should experience Windows in the MSP space. The number of driver issues, patching issues, tools that don't work, tools that you have to pay for to get basic functionality, expert level experience needed to operate is absurd. It's our bread and butter. Windows issues make the IT world go round. The dirty secret of IT is that we mostly promote Windows because it makes us bank by creating issues and complexity.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.
By that logic, Windows isn't meant for anything, haha.
Linux makes a far smoother, faster, more reliable workstation experience than Windows in my experience. And every new user we introduce to it agrees. We never see someone say Windows works better, or is easier, or has better support. I have absolutely no idea how you are having Linux issues, but for most people, it's so incredibly smooth and well polished that it blows their minds that anyone is using Windows once they see how easy it is.
He's using confirmation bias everywhere. One second it's one thing, the next it's about gaming, then again a $300 system, then Hyper-V, then Win10 Home. He's all over the place here and is obviously on a 48-hour THC binge.
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He seems to conveniently ignore the posts that give real world examples like @scottalanmiller's and mine
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@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..
Actually I find the opposite. We have continuous issues with Windows (but less than in the past for sure) and essentially zero with Linux. In fact, when printing to our Brother printers here in the office, anyone with Windows has to get someone with Ubuntu to print for them! On Ubuntu it works with zero config, on Windows, it always breaks.
Windows printing has always been fucking stupid. If you don't let it automatically use the WSD port and make sure it is a IP port, things never really fail.
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@stacksofplates said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
He seems to conveniently ignore the posts that give real world examples like @scottalanmiller's and mine
Also myself. I've been running Fedora based OS since 2015.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.
Before I go to bed, I always give thanks to Windows for providing me some job security.
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I should’ve asked this first but what made you want to post this? With a post like that I would asked the same if it was reversed or about MacOS.
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@stacksofplates said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
We had no driver issues like you're mentioning other than NVIDIA which is kind of a given.
I have constant issues with Nvidia on both Linux and Windows. Both suck, Nvidia is just a common problem.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research
Once you are pirating, you might as well get it for free. $15 copies are fake and all you are doing is throwing $15 away. The base cost of Windows is just the base cost, there is no way around it. If Windows isn't worth paying for, then the point is made because I'd definitely pay for Linux if I had to.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
ASRock DeskMini A300W AMD Socket AM4 AMD A300 1 x HDMI Barebone System
with Samsung NVMe 970 SSD
and 2200G
Ubuntu LTS 18.04
I cant use the never versions cause GPU driver is unavailable man on 19.04 or 19.10I don't understand.... That's basically the same desktop that we use. There is no GPU, that's something that you add on either with an extra graphics card or, more commonly, through an AMD APU. We go this route because it works so flawlessly with Linux. Ubuntu 19.10 here, on two of these. And we had Fedora on it before that, all worked great. Graphics card "just works". Zero configuration. Just install and done.
But, you can't call it a video gaming machine, it's anything but. APUs are just enough power to render a desktop, not meant for gaming.
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@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
@Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:
if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder
Windows 10 comes with a native SSH client and server. SSH client is enable by default.
Can it deal with SSH keys also ? that is why i use CMDer
Of course it can. It is OpenSSH and operates identically to SSH on Linux. We use keys with it every day. It uses the same commands, uses the same keys, stores them in the same way, etc. It's identical.
This is a weird "having no faith in Windows and thinking it's crap" while in a thread where you are raving about how good it is. I am no Windows fan, but I seem to have more basic faith in it than you do, which is weird given the context. I think it's way better than you do, but not good enough to run. When I need it, I access it as a VM from Linux because that's way more stable and easy than using it as a daily driver.
