Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?
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vSphere is different.
They license per socket.
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@coliver Thanks. I figured that was the case. Maybe that is where I got 8 from.
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@coliver said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
vSphere is different.
They license per socket.
Right. I currently have vsphere essentials plus with 6CPUs. 3 servers with 2-sockets each.
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@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@scottalanmiller said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@scottalanmiller said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@scottalanmiller said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
Clock Rate vs Cores is a combination of your threading needs and your licensing costs.
Well, it is Windows, so... I will definitely need to add a couple additional licenses for anything above my current setup of dual 4-core servers.
No, actually Windows licensing is flat from 1 core to 16 cores. You are at 8 currently, so in the middle of the "minimum" range.
I could have sworn it was 8. Did it used to be 8?
Eight... per socket. There is this weird thing where people in the SMB space for some reason assume all servers are two sockets when 1, 2, 4, 8.... are all just as valid. So they say "8 core CPUs" meaning 2x8=16. But they add this totally BS assumption that makes it make no sense.
So 1x16 or 2x8 are both 16 cores.
It was 16 cores since MS first moved from socket to core licensing.
That is why. I conflated the 2x8 and just took the 8.
Almost everyone does
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@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
What should I be looking for to decide on higher clock rate vs more cores?
Most servers (VMs) idle almost all the time in which case it makes most sense to configure the hypervisor with a high number of cores, automatically making them slower cores. That way you can handle lots of VMs concurrently.
If you have workloads that have performance limitations, meaning you want them to be faster, higher speed cores are needed. While almost all applications are multithreaded, bottle necks often depend on a single core performance.
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As you have several hosts it could make sense to have one dedicated to high performance VMs and one to lots of lower performance VMs. Then you have the possibility to move the VMs depending in what type of workload it is.
That's what we have done. Database hypervisors have higher performance and run on NVMe storage while the others are lower performing and run ordinary SSDs.
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If your going with Intel, make sure you get second gen scalable CPUs. They have 2 in the second number of the CPU.
So 5218, 6242 8276 etc.
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Pick from the left column for performance:
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@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
If your going with Intel, make sure you get second gen scalable CPUs. They have 2 in the second number of the CPU.
So 5218, 6242 8276 etc.
What does the scalable feature provide?
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I really hope there is vCenter somewhere, and you're not just using vanilla ESXi host and licensing that.
Paying for just type-1 hypervisor is like paying stripper for dance, sure it is fun but its is not going anywhere, not for you or her. and at the end of the song your 20 dollars short.
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@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
If your going with Intel, make sure you get second gen scalable CPUs. They have 2 in the second number of the CPU.
So 5218, 6242 8276 etc.
What does the scalable feature provide?
Scalable is just the name of the newer Xeons. They were introduced mid-2017. Also known as Skylake-SP. They're faster, more cores, uses less power and have better support for encryption etc compared to earlier Xeons, like E5-2600 series V4.
2nd generation is the ones that are new for 2019. They added support for optane persistent memory, which is very fast SSDs that look and work like memory modules. Better security against meltdown, spectre etc. Other than that it's just more of the same.
If you buy a CPU however prices are basically the same on 1st and 2nd gen so no point in getting the old stuff unless it's some kind of deal. HPE and Dell however have no qualms selling older generation stuff without telling you.
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@Emad-R said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
I really hope there is vCenter somewhere, and you're not just using vanilla ESXi host and licensing that.
Paying for just type-1 hypervisor is like paying stripper for dance, sure it is fun but its is not going anywhere, not for you or her. and at the end of the song your 20 dollars short.
Yes, using vCenter server (6.7 appliance).
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@Pete-S They list both the 61xx and 62xx as options for the R740XD.
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@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S They list both the 61xx and 62xx as options for the R740XD.
Good!
What CPUs do you have in the R720 today? 1 or 2 CPUs?
Do you want the new ones to be faster or just capable of running more VMs?
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@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S They list both the 61xx and 62xx as options for the R740XD.
Good!
What CPUs do you have in the R720 today? 1 or 2 CPUs?
Do you want the new ones to be faster or just capable of running more VMs?
I have 2 x E5-2609 CPUs in each server. I would like faster, but more VMs would be the priority.
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@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S They list both the 61xx and 62xx as options for the R740XD.
Good!
What CPUs do you have in the R720 today? 1 or 2 CPUs?
Do you want the new ones to be faster or just capable of running more VMs?
I have 2 x E5-2609 CPUs in each server. I would like faster, but more VMs would be the priority.
Doesn't faster mean you can put more VM's on there?
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@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S They list both the 61xx and 62xx as options for the R740XD.
Good!
What CPUs do you have in the R720 today? 1 or 2 CPUs?
Do you want the new ones to be faster or just capable of running more VMs?
I have 2 x E5-2609 CPUs in each server. I would like faster, but more VMs would be the priority.
The E5-2609 CPUs are at the low end of what was available at the time so no problem there.
Actually, are you looking to keep the old servers around for testing and such?
In that case you could just drop in refurbished CPUs that are faster and/or has more cores for very little money. If the server can take E5-2600 V2 you can get up to 12 core CPUs. -
@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S They list both the 61xx and 62xx as options for the R740XD.
Good!
What CPUs do you have in the R720 today? 1 or 2 CPUs?
Do you want the new ones to be faster or just capable of running more VMs?
I have 2 x E5-2609 CPUs in each server. I would like faster, but more VMs would be the priority.
The E5-2609 CPUs are at the low end of what was available at the time so no problem there.
Actually, are you looking to keep the old servers around for testing and such?
In that case you could just drop in refurbished CPUs that are faster and/or has more cores for very little money. If the server can take E5-2600 V2 you can get up to 12 core CPUs.yeah, but Windows licensing is an issue, assuming multiple CPUs... for a test server, not likely worth going over the 16 cores. Not to mention the test server might require licensing (if needed beyond the 90 day test period for something).
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@Dashrender said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@wrx7m said in Planning for New ESXi Hosts - Which CPU Metrics Should I Use?:
@Pete-S They list both the 61xx and 62xx as options for the R740XD.
Good!
What CPUs do you have in the R720 today? 1 or 2 CPUs?
Do you want the new ones to be faster or just capable of running more VMs?
I have 2 x E5-2609 CPUs in each server. I would like faster, but more VMs would be the priority.
The E5-2609 CPUs are at the low end of what was available at the time so no problem there.
Actually, are you looking to keep the old servers around for testing and such?
In that case you could just drop in refurbished CPUs that are faster and/or has more cores for very little money. If the server can take E5-2600 V2 you can get up to 12 core CPUs.yeah, but Windows licensing is an issue, assuming multiple CPUs... for a test server, not likely worth going over the 16 cores. Not to mention the test server might require licensing (if needed beyond the 90 day test period for something).
Two 8-cores would be an option. For instance two E5-2690. They are 2.9 GHz base frequency and have 8 cores. About $100 each when buying refurbished.
About 50% faster per core (2609 have no turbo) and about 3 times faster multicore performance. Has more cache and faster memory transfer speed. Was a very high end CPU at the time. Was listed at $2000 while the E5-2609 was $300.
The fastest 8-core E5-2600 V2 CPU is the E5-2667 V2. 8 cores and base frequency of 3.3 GHz. It will likely also be an option for the R720XD. V2 uses 22nm technology so uses less power with the same clock speed and can fit more cores or run higher frequencies.
