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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
There was NO speed change here - at least not that I'm aware of. What you did have affected by CHOOSing to use the codex is that use of codex would NOT count against your data pool, nothing more.
So you get charged for some things but not others. Are you not seeing how this is EXACTLY what we want NN to stop?
I see this as a billing advantage in my favor... instead of somethign against me.
That's the illusion. You pay and they decide which things get priority and which don't. It's never in your favour. Remember the discussion with Mike... in the end, the customer pays. TMobile decides which things you get faster or more of, and which you get less of. You never actually pay less, they just are saying that to make it sound okay.
It's not about paying less, in this case it's about getting more. before this free if codex thing.. my 2 GB plan would give me lets say 1 hour of streaming... now.. I can use that 2 GB for whatever.. and I can stream unlimited, as long as I use the codex.. I am way ahead.
So to reword this...
If all entertainment and news that support one political view is unlimited with your payment, and other entertainment and news that supports a different view is charged overages if you see it, you are just fine with that... because anything one thing is "unlimited" even though you've paid for it, you see it as a bonus regardless of the fact that a private company controls all decisions about what you get with your payment and what you don't?
No video provider has to pay and all video providers are allowed to join. So this arguments is not the same.
Prove it, how does ML do this right now. If I put a video on this site and it is not included, it woudl prove this false.
Yes... if you have binge on and TMo they will stream for free.
It reduces video quality. Att now has stream saver because they had to do something to compete.
Not sure what Verizon has done.
Basically this year my data use dramatically dropped with stream saver, brought on by TMo shaking things up.
All of this is good for users, bad for telco profits and against “net neutrality”
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
So we all want what “Net Neutrality” sounds like, but what’s in the actual law isn’t really that. I think that’s the short of it.
No, I want Net Neutrality, it sounds like everyone else wants exactly the opposite. Which is fine, but everyone needs to realize that a neutral Internet means you can never use marketing tricks to make unequal access sound appealing.
What you want too see from TMo instead of this 'free' space when you that codec, you want to see a lower bill, then you get to choose to spend that money buying bandwidth as you desire.. instead of seeing a higher bill ( but drastically less than the competition) that includes the "free" space... I think this is what you are saying.. and what you are calling a lack of NN.
What I want is neutrality. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever want an ISP to have the right to ever, ever, ever prioritize (in speed, bandwidth or antyhing else) where my money goes. I want to pay for access to the Internet, all of the Internet equally, and not have some private company deciding that some data gets to me faster or some data costs more than other data. I don't want a filtered Internet, I want a neutral Internet.
There it is..
And really - you can choose to be on TMo (you are, aren't you?) just never use the codec.. and you have NN with TMo because all your traffic will be exactly the same.You are making wild excuses, grasping at straws. I pay for all the access whether I use it or not. THEY control which things I get at what cost. THEY control my impressions of the world.
They do that simply by charging you for bandwidth... so I'm not sure where you are going with that.
All bandwidth, the same. That's fine. That's EXACTLY what I want.
In no way do they choose which gets priority and which doesn't. I and I alone chose by what I chose to download.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
4K streaming won't really be a thing for most people because the bandwidth will push most consumers well over 1 TB used a month - OMG the ISPs are hurting me because of the bandwidth caps.
That's a TOTALLY different issue.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
There was NO speed change here - at least not that I'm aware of. What you did have affected by CHOOSing to use the codex is that use of codex would NOT count against your data pool, nothing more.
So you get charged for some things but not others. Are you not seeing how this is EXACTLY what we want NN to stop?
I see this as a billing advantage in my favor... instead of somethign against me.
That's the illusion. You pay and they decide which things get priority and which don't. It's never in your favour. Remember the discussion with Mike... in the end, the customer pays. TMobile decides which things you get faster or more of, and which you get less of. You never actually pay less, they just are saying that to make it sound okay.
It's not about paying less, in this case it's about getting more. before this free if codex thing.. my 2 GB plan would give me lets say 1 hour of streaming... now.. I can use that 2 GB for whatever.. and I can stream unlimited, as long as I use the codex.. I am way ahead.
So to reword this...
If all entertainment and news that support one political view is unlimited with your payment, and other entertainment and news that supports a different view is charged overages if you see it, you are just fine with that... because anything one thing is "unlimited" even though you've paid for it, you see it as a bonus regardless of the fact that a private company controls all decisions about what you get with your payment and what you don't?
No video provider has to pay and all video providers are allowed to join. So this arguments is not the same.
Prove it, how does ML do this right now. If I put a video on this site and it is not included, it woudl prove this false.
Yes... if you have binge on and TMo they will stream for free.
So there is no codec needed then? That's been removed?
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
All of this is good for users, bad for telco profits and against “net neutrality”
How is it good for users if against net neutrality? The two cannot coexist. If it is against net neutrality, it is against users. two ways of saying the same thing.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
So we all want what “Net Neutrality” sounds like, but what’s in the actual law isn’t really that. I think that’s the short of it.
No, I want Net Neutrality, it sounds like everyone else wants exactly the opposite. Which is fine, but everyone needs to realize that a neutral Internet means you can never use marketing tricks to make unequal access sound appealing.
What you want too see from TMo instead of this 'free' space when you that codec, you want to see a lower bill, then you get to choose to spend that money buying bandwidth as you desire.. instead of seeing a higher bill ( but drastically less than the competition) that includes the "free" space... I think this is what you are saying.. and what you are calling a lack of NN.
What I want is neutrality. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever want an ISP to have the right to ever, ever, ever prioritize (in speed, bandwidth or antyhing else) where my money goes. I want to pay for access to the Internet, all of the Internet equally, and not have some private company deciding that some data gets to me faster or some data costs more than other data. I don't want a filtered Internet, I want a neutral Internet.
There it is..
And really - you can choose to be on TMo (you are, aren't you?) just never use the codec.. and you have NN with TMo because all your traffic will be exactly the same.You are making wild excuses, grasping at straws. I pay for all the access whether I use it or not. THEY control which things I get at what cost. THEY control my impressions of the world.
They do that simply by charging you for bandwidth... so I'm not sure where you are going with that.
All bandwidth, the same. That's fine. That's EXACTLY what I want.
In no way do they choose which gets priority and which doesn't. I and I alone chose by what I chose to download.
So it doesn’t make it all the same. You pay for a bulk “binge on” plan for reduce video quality of certain services.
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
The electric company argument is not a apples to apples. In fact NN is built on ancient Title ii laws that also dot accurately address the issue.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
So we all want what “Net Neutrality” sounds like, but what’s in the actual law isn’t really that. I think that’s the short of it.
No, I want Net Neutrality, it sounds like everyone else wants exactly the opposite. Which is fine, but everyone needs to realize that a neutral Internet means you can never use marketing tricks to make unequal access sound appealing.
What you want too see from TMo instead of this 'free' space when you that codec, you want to see a lower bill, then you get to choose to spend that money buying bandwidth as you desire.. instead of seeing a higher bill ( but drastically less than the competition) that includes the "free" space... I think this is what you are saying.. and what you are calling a lack of NN.
What I want is neutrality. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever want an ISP to have the right to ever, ever, ever prioritize (in speed, bandwidth or antyhing else) where my money goes. I want to pay for access to the Internet, all of the Internet equally, and not have some private company deciding that some data gets to me faster or some data costs more than other data. I don't want a filtered Internet, I want a neutral Internet.
There it is..
And really - you can choose to be on TMo (you are, aren't you?) just never use the codec.. and you have NN with TMo because all your traffic will be exactly the same.You are making wild excuses, grasping at straws. I pay for all the access whether I use it or not. THEY control which things I get at what cost. THEY control my impressions of the world.
They do that simply by charging you for bandwidth... so I'm not sure where you are going with that.
All bandwidth, the same. That's fine. That's EXACTLY what I want.
In no way do they choose which gets priority and which doesn't. I and I alone chose by what I chose to download.
So it doesn’t make it all the same. You pay for a bulk “binge on” plan for reduce video quality of certain services.
Of CERTAIN SERVICES.
They choose which they provide and which they don't. That's the issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
So we all want what “Net Neutrality” sounds like, but what’s in the actual law isn’t really that. I think that’s the short of it.
No, I want Net Neutrality, it sounds like everyone else wants exactly the opposite. Which is fine, but everyone needs to realize that a neutral Internet means you can never use marketing tricks to make unequal access sound appealing.
What you want too see from TMo instead of this 'free' space when you that codec, you want to see a lower bill, then you get to choose to spend that money buying bandwidth as you desire.. instead of seeing a higher bill ( but drastically less than the competition) that includes the "free" space... I think this is what you are saying.. and what you are calling a lack of NN.
What I want is neutrality. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever want an ISP to have the right to ever, ever, ever prioritize (in speed, bandwidth or antyhing else) where my money goes. I want to pay for access to the Internet, all of the Internet equally, and not have some private company deciding that some data gets to me faster or some data costs more than other data. I don't want a filtered Internet, I want a neutral Internet.
There it is..
And really - you can choose to be on TMo (you are, aren't you?) just never use the codec.. and you have NN with TMo because all your traffic will be exactly the same.You are making wild excuses, grasping at straws. I pay for all the access whether I use it or not. THEY control which things I get at what cost. THEY control my impressions of the world.
They do that simply by charging you for bandwidth... so I'm not sure where you are going with that.
All bandwidth, the same. That's fine. That's EXACTLY what I want.
In no way do they choose which gets priority and which doesn't. I and I alone chose by what I chose to download.
So it doesn’t make it all the same. You pay for a bulk “binge on” plan for reduce video quality of certain services.
Of CERTAIN SERVICES.
They choose which they provide and which they don't. That's the issue.
Right! So you see NN was written in a way to prevent this from being legal.
So NN isn’t what people think.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
And THIS is the problem. It's extortion... if you want the media we don't want you to see, you can pay our artificially inflated prices to see it. Want to see important information and promotion of a candidate we don't want you to vote for, pay extra. But if you want to see ads or media that supports political agendas we like, it's "free".
You'd exposed the problem. This is why this can never be anything but evil.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
So we all want what “Net Neutrality” sounds like, but what’s in the actual law isn’t really that. I think that’s the short of it.
No, I want Net Neutrality, it sounds like everyone else wants exactly the opposite. Which is fine, but everyone needs to realize that a neutral Internet means you can never use marketing tricks to make unequal access sound appealing.
What you want too see from TMo instead of this 'free' space when you that codec, you want to see a lower bill, then you get to choose to spend that money buying bandwidth as you desire.. instead of seeing a higher bill ( but drastically less than the competition) that includes the "free" space... I think this is what you are saying.. and what you are calling a lack of NN.
What I want is neutrality. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever want an ISP to have the right to ever, ever, ever prioritize (in speed, bandwidth or antyhing else) where my money goes. I want to pay for access to the Internet, all of the Internet equally, and not have some private company deciding that some data gets to me faster or some data costs more than other data. I don't want a filtered Internet, I want a neutral Internet.
There it is..
And really - you can choose to be on TMo (you are, aren't you?) just never use the codec.. and you have NN with TMo because all your traffic will be exactly the same.You are making wild excuses, grasping at straws. I pay for all the access whether I use it or not. THEY control which things I get at what cost. THEY control my impressions of the world.
They do that simply by charging you for bandwidth... so I'm not sure where you are going with that.
All bandwidth, the same. That's fine. That's EXACTLY what I want.
In no way do they choose which gets priority and which doesn't. I and I alone chose by what I chose to download.
So it doesn’t make it all the same. You pay for a bulk “binge on” plan for reduce video quality of certain services.
Of CERTAIN SERVICES.
They choose which they provide and which they don't. That's the issue.
Right! So you see NN was written in a way to prevent this from being legal.
So NN isn’t what people think.
If NN was written to prevent that... that's why we wanted it and why it is SO important and any talk of anything else is misleading... this is the core issue.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
So we all want what “Net Neutrality” sounds like, but what’s in the actual law isn’t really that. I think that’s the short of it.
No, I want Net Neutrality, it sounds like everyone else wants exactly the opposite. Which is fine, but everyone needs to realize that a neutral Internet means you can never use marketing tricks to make unequal access sound appealing.
What you want too see from TMo instead of this 'free' space when you that codec, you want to see a lower bill, then you get to choose to spend that money buying bandwidth as you desire.. instead of seeing a higher bill ( but drastically less than the competition) that includes the "free" space... I think this is what you are saying.. and what you are calling a lack of NN.
What I want is neutrality. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever want an ISP to have the right to ever, ever, ever prioritize (in speed, bandwidth or antyhing else) where my money goes. I want to pay for access to the Internet, all of the Internet equally, and not have some private company deciding that some data gets to me faster or some data costs more than other data. I don't want a filtered Internet, I want a neutral Internet.
There it is..
And really - you can choose to be on TMo (you are, aren't you?) just never use the codec.. and you have NN with TMo because all your traffic will be exactly the same.You are making wild excuses, grasping at straws. I pay for all the access whether I use it or not. THEY control which things I get at what cost. THEY control my impressions of the world.
They do that simply by charging you for bandwidth... so I'm not sure where you are going with that.
All bandwidth, the same. That's fine. That's EXACTLY what I want.
In no way do they choose which gets priority and which doesn't. I and I alone chose by what I chose to download.
So it doesn’t make it all the same. You pay for a bulk “binge on” plan for reduce video quality of certain services.
Of CERTAIN SERVICES.
They choose which they provide and which they don't. That's the issue.
Right! So you see NN was written in a way to prevent this from being legal.
So NN isn’t what people think.
And it means NN is exactly what we thought... protection of our freedom.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
And THIS is the problem. It's extortion... if you want the media we don't want you to see, you can pay our artificially inflated prices to see it. Want to see important information and promotion of a candidate we don't want you to vote for, pay extra. But if you want to see ads or media that supports political agendas we like, it's "free".
You'd exposed the problem. This is why this can never be anything but evil.
You aren’t describing it accurately still.
It’s opt in for user and provider, it saves users money, it doesn’t prevent access to content or provide any unfair advantage to any provider or content type
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
The electric company argument is not a apples to apples.
Then explain how it is different, because every example given so far is identical. Use what the ISP wants, you get it "cheaper" and the "full price" is adjusted accordingly, of course. In the end, the customer will always pay, and the one thing that can never be an acceptable answer is for the ISP to ever have any hand in deciding if any data gets faster speeds or higher usage than others.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
The electric company argument is not a apples to apples.
Then explain how it is different, because every example given so far is identical. Use what the ISP wants, you get it "cheaper" and the "full price" is adjusted accordingly, of course. In the end, the customer will always pay, and the one thing that can never be an acceptable answer is for the ISP to ever have any hand in deciding if any data gets faster speeds or higher usage than others.
Very simple. The ISP wants and allows all content to take advantage. They don’t want to offer specific content.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
And THIS is the problem. It's extortion... if you want the media we don't want you to see, you can pay our artificially inflated prices to see it. Want to see important information and promotion of a candidate we don't want you to vote for, pay extra. But if you want to see ads or media that supports political agendas we like, it's "free".
You'd exposed the problem. This is why this can never be anything but evil.
You aren’t describing it accurately still.
It’s opt in for user and provider, it saves users money, it doesn’t prevent access to content or provide any unfair advantage to any provider or content type
"Opt in" is never okay in this situation. Never. It doesn't save uses money, that's plainly untrue. The end users will pay and the ISPs are in control. That's the bottom line.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
The electric company argument is not a apples to apples.
Then explain how it is different, because every example given so far is identical. Use what the ISP wants, you get it "cheaper" and the "full price" is adjusted accordingly, of course. In the end, the customer will always pay, and the one thing that can never be an acceptable answer is for the ISP to ever have any hand in deciding if any data gets faster speeds or higher usage than others.
Very simple. The ISP wants and allows all content to take advantage. They don’t want to offer specific content.
Um... no. How do you prove that? You can prove that if all ISPs universally fought NN and made sure that none of their competition had any ability to ever do something like TMobile did.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
And THIS is the problem. It's extortion... if you want the media we don't want you to see, you can pay our artificially inflated prices to see it. Want to see important information and promotion of a candidate we don't want you to vote for, pay extra. But if you want to see ads or media that supports political agendas we like, it's "free".
You'd exposed the problem. This is why this can never be anything but evil.
You aren’t describing it accurately still.
It’s opt in for user and provider, it saves users money, it doesn’t prevent access to content or provide any unfair advantage to any provider or content type
"Opt in" is never okay in this situation. Never. It doesn't save uses money, that's plainly untrue. The end users will pay and the ISPs are in control. That's the bottom line.
It’s ironic to see now that everyone is on the platform and everyone is happy except you and Verizon with this.
The difference is there is no content bias compared to your utility example.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
And THIS is the problem. It's extortion... if you want the media we don't want you to see, you can pay our artificially inflated prices to see it. Want to see important information and promotion of a candidate we don't want you to vote for, pay extra. But if you want to see ads or media that supports political agendas we like, it's "free".
You'd exposed the problem. This is why this can never be anything but evil.
You aren’t describing it accurately still.
It’s opt in for user and provider, it saves users money, it doesn’t prevent access to content or provide any unfair advantage to any provider or content type
"Opt in" is never okay in this situation. Never. It doesn't save uses money, that's plainly untrue. The end users will pay and the ISPs are in control. That's the bottom line.
It’s ironic to see now that everyone is on the platform and everyone is happy except you and Verizon with this.
The difference is there is no content bias compared to your utility example.
What do you mean that there is no content bias? How do you prove that? There is the OPTION of bias, and that's the problem. How do you ensure that every content is equal here? And if it is all equal then NN didn't apply and this is moot.
The only thing we are discussing is bias.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
And THIS is the problem. It's extortion... if you want the media we don't want you to see, you can pay our artificially inflated prices to see it. Want to see important information and promotion of a candidate we don't want you to vote for, pay extra. But if you want to see ads or media that supports political agendas we like, it's "free".
You'd exposed the problem. This is why this can never be anything but evil.
You aren’t describing it accurately still.
It’s opt in for user and provider, it saves users money, it doesn’t prevent access to content or provide any unfair advantage to any provider or content type
"Opt in" is never okay in this situation. Never. It doesn't save uses money, that's plainly untrue. The end users will pay and the ISPs are in control. That's the bottom line.
It’s ironic to see now that everyone is on the platform and everyone is happy except you and Verizon with this.
Um... so... maybe you didn't notice but the WHOLE COUNTRY is up in arms about this. Not sure how you missed that. I've even had people in countries that don't even border the US ask me today how this was going to affect their freedom of information. No one that isn't corrupt and making money through corruption is okay with this. Of course the vendors are all on board, they are the ones we are afraid of!
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If you want to pay full price you can and not do binge on or stream saver.
And THIS is the problem. It's extortion... if you want the media we don't want you to see, you can pay our artificially inflated prices to see it. Want to see important information and promotion of a candidate we don't want you to vote for, pay extra. But if you want to see ads or media that supports political agendas we like, it's "free".
You'd exposed the problem. This is why this can never be anything but evil.
You aren’t describing it accurately still.
It’s opt in for user and provider, it saves users money, it doesn’t prevent access to content or provide any unfair advantage to any provider or content type
"Opt in" is never okay in this situation. Never. It doesn't save uses money, that's plainly untrue. The end users will pay and the ISPs are in control. That's the bottom line.
It’s ironic to see now that everyone is on the platform and everyone is happy except you and Verizon with this.
The difference is there is no content bias compared to your utility example.
What do you mean that there is no content bias? How do you prove that? There is the OPTION of bias, and that's the problem. How do you ensure that every content is equal here? And if it is all equal then NN didn't apply and this is moot.
The only thing we are discussing is bias.
While I’m on mobile and about to crash I think the issue is that’s NN doesn’t say what everyone thinks it says. This is an example where I feel everyone wanted the same thing except the competition. And Verizon was using this law to prevent something good for content providers and users.
Which is exactly the scenario I thought of when they started taking about title ii for the internet in 2014. I thought it was insane.
Want to be at keyboard for more constructive dialogue and put some quotes from the bill on her for consideration...
