I Would Fire Someone For....
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@IRJ how did who deduce what?
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ how did who deduce what?
That what I said had nothing to do with Scott's post.
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
... Because the main reason we replace systems is lack of hardware to perform business functions.
I did a hardware refresh 2 years ago mostly because we needed to get rid of XP. Sure the machines were 5+ years old, but they were functioning. Other than wanting to replace XP, they probably could have lasted another year or 2.
Now that I'm on Windows 10 across the board (well almost - I needed a few legacy machines) I'm on a hardware failure/hardware can't handle task replacement timeline. This could easily mean that a machine could be 8+ years old before it's replaced. I already have some that are 5 years old now that came with Windows 7, have been upgrade to Windows 10 and will stick around until the one of the two reasons above causes me to replace it.
So with all that in mind, while I'm sure some people are replacing hardware more often, I agree with Scott now, I don't see a lot of point in replacing a machine just because it's 'old.'
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
... Because the main reason we replace systems is lack of hardware to perform business functions.
I did a hardware refresh 2 years ago mostly because we needed to get rid of XP. Sure the machines were 5+ years old, but they were functioning. Other than wanting to replace XP, they probably could have lasted another year or 2.
Now that I'm on Windows 10 across the board (well almost - I needed a few legacy machines) I'm on a hardware failure/hardware can't handle task replacement timeline. This could easily mean that a machine could be 8+ years old before it's replaced. I already have some that are 5 years old now that came with Windows 7, have been upgrade to Windows 10 and will stick around until the one of the two reasons above causes me to replace it.
So with all that in mind, while I'm sure some people are replacing hardware more often, I agree with Scott now, I don't see a lot of point in replacing a machine just because it's 'old.'
I feel like Windows is going the route a constantly updated OS like Android or iOS. That is the way IT is going. Microsoft is not gonna be able to keep up in the desktop world otherwise. Everything is becoming web based so it isn't dependent on OS anymore. The only thing Windows Desktop has going for it Active Directory Integration, but I believe we will start to see less AD in newer environments as there are other management options.
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We already are - it's called Azure AD.
I agree, as more and more apps become full featured on the web, the less and less we need Windows. That said I still feel like we are in our infancy days. I remember java 15 years ago - the typical UIs were horrible. Sure it was cross platform, but who in their right mind wanted to use them?
I've never tried using Android on a desktop - I'd like to see a full function/feature version of things like Office or CAD or Adobe Photoshop on other platforms (yeah I know Linux has some of this) that works great with a mouse and keyboard like Windows and Mac.
I think I'm saying this wrong - I want to see these "web" apps (example being Scott's aforementioned MS Office 2013 or newer) running on anything. But we don't. Until that happens, Windows and Mac will continue to have a place.
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
The only thing Windows Desktop has going for it Active Directory Integration, but I believe we will start to see less AD in newer environments as there are other management options.
Everyone has AD integration. That's trivial. Mac OSX, most Linux, FreeBSD, etc. all use AD if you want. AD is already phasing out rapidly. MS is moving smaller shops away from it and using Azure AD (which is quite different from AD) as a reason to go to Windows 10 across the board. Lots of shops are starting to not want AD in general as well. The reasons to have it are rapidly evaporating.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I think I'm saying this wrong - I want to see these "web" apps (example being Scott's aforementioned MS Office 2013 or newer) running on anything. But we don't. Until that happens, Windows and Mac will continue to have a place.
With the exception of MS Office, which we are expecting to see on Linux very soon, what aren't you seeing on the other platforms? How many real business tools or serious apps are you not seeing on "any" platform? Medical is decades behind, and screwing their customers, we expect them to be using native apps for a while. But of serious business apps from good vendors, who isn't on Linux?
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@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
The only thing Windows Desktop has going for it Active Directory Integration, but I believe we will start to see less AD in newer environments as there are other management options.
Everyone has AD integration. That's trivial. Mac OSX, most Linux, FreeBSD, etc. all use AD if you want. AD is already phasing out rapidly. MS is moving smaller shops away from it and using Azure AD (which is quite different from AD) as a reason to go to Windows 10 across the board. Lots of shops are starting to not want AD in general as well. The reasons to have it are rapidly evaporating.
I know that AD and GPO aren't directly related. but system management is the biggest reason I want AD.
Moving to all of these different cloud services has broken the SSO model, sorta. I know that some systems today allow you to pull authentication from an outside source... I'm hoping that we will see more and more of that.
Federated services seems like a dream come true for some ways of sharing data, but in the SMB is still pretty uncommon.
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@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I think I'm saying this wrong - I want to see these "web" apps (example being Scott's aforementioned MS Office 2013 or newer) running on anything. But we don't. Until that happens, Windows and Mac will continue to have a place.
With the exception of MS Office, which we are expecting to see on Linux very soon, what aren't you seeing on the other platforms? How many real business tools or serious apps are you not seeing on "any" platform? Medical is decades behind, and screwing their customers, we expect them to be using native apps for a while. But of serious business apps from good vendors, who isn't on Linux?
I have no idea - is Literoom and AutoCAD on Linux? (I have no idea if they are or not).
But more importantly, if they are, are they native apps or web apps?
My main point was the platformless nature of web apps is what I still don't see very much.
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As for medical - surprisingly, many of them are moving to web front ends. The one we use is called athenaNet (small a). It's browser based, they still require a shit client install to integrate hardware devices, I'm not sure if that's a limitation of what browsers can access outside the sandbox of the browser, or their programming ability.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I know that AD and GPO aren't directly related. but system management is the biggest reason I want AD.
But AD doesn't give any system management
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I have no idea - is Literoom and AutoCAD on Linux? (I have no idea if they are or not).
You are going after graphics, not business apps. We all accept that graphics apps, which are not at all common in business, are still doing native and will for at least a generation. What about business apps? Normal companies don't use engineering CAD stations.
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@Dashrender said
My main point was the platformless nature of web apps is what I still don't see very much.
That is all I see nowadays. I don't want to touch anything that requires a client.
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This guy is really close. No wonder they've got infrastructure problems. Maybe the purchaser has moved on and stuck them? Watching this disaster with @DustinB3403
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@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
This guy is really close. No wonder they've got infrastructure problems. Maybe the purchaser has moved on and stuck them? Watching this disaster with @DustinB3403
Yeah that thread is all kinds of bad.
Just awful. I'm giving the guy the benefit that he didn't set it up like this (or at the very least there is some good reason for it) but not taking backups before working on the system.
That's just a basic CYA step.
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I would fire someone for deleting the accounts that belong to other departments in software that they are responsible for.
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It's funny, we (our business unit) were just discussing blocking any purchases that required tradition Client/Server and fat applications.
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said
My main point was the platformless nature of web apps is what I still don't see very much.
That is all I see nowadays. I don't want to touch anything that requires a client.
Same here. I'm just not running into these native apps with platform lock in.
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@coliver said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
It's funny, we (our business unit) were just discussing blocking any purchases that required tradition Client/Server and fat applications.
Blocking might be too far, but strongly, strongly auditing to see why that has happened. Unless the vendor can produce a really strong technical case for the requirement or value of the lock in, I'd avoid them on competence grounds alone. If they can't make viable software today, what are the chances that they will be able to properly support it tomorrow?
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I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
