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    Did SourceForge start re-integrating adware into their downloads again?

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    • IRJI
      IRJ @MattSpeller
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      @MattSpeller said:

      @IRJ said:

      I find it annoying, but acceptable for freeware to bundle other programs. I've seen it on software so much that I am trained to always do custom installs and EXPECT them to try to sneak something in. Just be careful when going through the typical next, next, next procedure.

      I'd love to see some honesty in the process. Have a splash page where the "next" button is moved to the top of the window. Window reads: we do this out of our own pocket, if you're interested in any of this _______ click on it so we make some money. If not, next button is up there ^^^

      The non-technical users would not purposely install it.

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      • thanksajdotcomT
        thanksajdotcom
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        One reason I avoid CNet/Download.com. I use Ninite for everything like that nowadays.

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        • thanksajdotcomT
          thanksajdotcom
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          Or I go directly to the vendor's website. The problem is how many vendors use Sourcefourge/Download.com. However, I know Filezilla can be installed with Ninite. 😉

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          • ?
            A Former User @thanksajdotcom
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            @thanksajdotcom said:

            Or I go directly to the vendor's website. The problem is how many vendors use Sourcefourge/Download.com. However, I know Filezilla can be installed with Ninite. 😉

            If the Author is using sourceforge in the first place it's likely because they don't have the bandwidth to host downloads.

            Anyway Ninite is only free for home use.

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            • thanksajdotcomT
              thanksajdotcom @A Former User
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              @thecreativeone91 said:

              @thanksajdotcom said:

              Or I go directly to the vendor's website. The problem is how many vendors use Sourcefourge/Download.com. However, I know Filezilla can be installed with Ninite. 😉

              If the Author is using sourceforge in the first place it's likely because they don't have the bandwidth to host downloads.

              Anyway Ninite is only free for home use.

              Yes, I know.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                FileZilla is available from Chocolatey repos too.

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                • thanksajdotcomT
                  thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  FileZilla is available from Chocolatey repos too.

                  True. I hadn't thought of that.

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                  • Rob DunnR
                    Rob Dunn @thanksajdotcom
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                    @thanksajdotcom said:

                    One reason I avoid CNet/Download.com. I use Ninite for everything like that nowadays.

                    Yes, I do like Ninite for this, but on my work PC, that's a no-no.

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                    • thanksajdotcomT
                      thanksajdotcom @Rob Dunn
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                      @Rob-Dunn said:

                      @thanksajdotcom said:

                      One reason I avoid CNet/Download.com. I use Ninite for everything like that nowadays.

                      Yes, I do like Ninite for this, but on my work PC, that's a no-no.

                      Then Chocolately it is. 😉

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                      • Rob DunnR
                        Rob Dunn @IRJ
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                        @IRJ said:

                        @thecreativeone91 said:

                        It's a way for projects to generate income.

                        I find it annoying, but acceptable for freeware to bundle other programs. I've seen it on software so much that I am trained to always do custom installs and EXPECT them to try to sneak something in. Just be careful when going through the typical next, next, next procedure.

                        Freeware is one thing, but Open Source, I dunno. Seems like the whole 'making profit' by shady methods is kind of counter to the whole Open Source movement in general. If you want to promote sharing and code maturity via the collective, making money from some profit-centered and possibly harmful utility really accomplishes only the opposite desired effect, IMHO.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Rob Dunn
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                          @Rob-Dunn said:

                          @IRJ said:

                          @thecreativeone91 said:

                          It's a way for projects to generate income.

                          I find it annoying, but acceptable for freeware to bundle other programs. I've seen it on software so much that I am trained to always do custom installs and EXPECT them to try to sneak something in. Just be careful when going through the typical next, next, next procedure.

                          Freeware is one thing, but Open Source, I dunno. Seems like the whole 'making profit' by shady methods is kind of counter to the whole Open Source movement in general. If you want to promote sharing and code maturity via the collective, making money from some profit-centered and possibly harmful utility really accomplishes only the opposite desired effect, IMHO.

                          Not really. Open source is purely about the accessibility to the source. How, why or if people make profit is really unrelated. Open source and free don't have any necessary reason to go together. Shady business or money making rarely goes directly with any social movement, but beyond that that the source is open doesn't really play in to the money making aspect. If anything, it makes it easier as the open source movement isn't concerned with people making money from what they have made, with most licenses.

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                          • thanksajdotcomT
                            thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Rob-Dunn said:

                            @IRJ said:

                            @thecreativeone91 said:

                            It's a way for projects to generate income.

                            I find it annoying, but acceptable for freeware to bundle other programs. I've seen it on software so much that I am trained to always do custom installs and EXPECT them to try to sneak something in. Just be careful when going through the typical next, next, next procedure.

                            Freeware is one thing, but Open Source, I dunno. Seems like the whole 'making profit' by shady methods is kind of counter to the whole Open Source movement in general. If you want to promote sharing and code maturity via the collective, making money from some profit-centered and possibly harmful utility really accomplishes only the opposite desired effect, IMHO.

                            Not really. Open source is purely about the accessibility to the source. How, why or if people make profit is really unrelated. Open source and free don't have any necessary reason to go together. Shady business or money making rarely goes directly with any social movement, but beyond that that the source is open doesn't really play in to the money making aspect. If anything, it makes it easier as the open source movement isn't concerned with people making money from what they have made, with most licenses.

                            Exactly. Open source means the code is available to anyone, and things like the GNU GPL protect Open source rights as the code changes over time and goes from one person's hands to another. Someone may have something open-source they give out for free. Someone is completely allowed to come along, make changes to it and then package it and sell it. However, they must maintain the code as open-source (assuming it's licensed with CC or GNU GPL or even public domain). However, they must make the source available. and allow others to do what they want with it. Also, they often have to show the changes they made from the original code or at least the code they received.

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                            • thanksajdotcomT
                              thanksajdotcom
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                              ...to preserve the original author's integrity, as it were.

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                              • thanksajdotcomT
                                thanksajdotcom
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                                I encourage everyone in IT to watch the "Revolution OS" movie at some point in their careers. Very important documentary. Some HUGE people are in it too!

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                                  thanksajdotcom
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                                  Youtube Video

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @thanksajdotcom
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                                    @thanksajdotcom said:

                                    However, they must maintain the code as open-source (assuming it's licensed with CC or GNU GPL or even public domain).

                                    PD doesn't require you to do anything. I didn't know that CC had a code license. BSD does not require that the code continue to be open either.

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                                    • Rob DunnR
                                      Rob Dunn @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller

                                      No no. I have no problem with the source code authors making money, it's the shady tag-alongs that I have a beef with. It's a matter of principle. If I know my particular project is being sent along with a bunch of adware-laden toolbars and potentially malicious apps, what contribution am I really making?

                                      If it were me, I'd pull any and all of my projects from any websites that package my apps with that shit.

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                                      • ?
                                        A Former User @Rob Dunn
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                                        @Rob-Dunn said:

                                        @scottalanmiller

                                        No no. I have no problem with the source code authors making money, it's the shady tag-alongs that I have a beef with. It's a matter of principle. If I know my particular project is being sent along with a bunch of adware-laden toolbars and potentially malicious apps, what contribution am I really making?

                                        I think that one should be on Source Forge rather than the FOSS Projects. It's likely because Adware is the only thing willing to pay.

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                                        • Rob DunnR
                                          Rob Dunn @A Former User
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                                          @thecreativeone91

                                          That I'm sure of. Like it was stated above, there's enough non-technical users downloading it to make it worth their (Adware companies) while, but your application loses credence with the technical crowd as soon as one PC is infected with something that was completely out of your control as a project submitter.

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                                          • thanksajdotcomT
                                            thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @thanksajdotcom said:

                                            However, they must maintain the code as open-source (assuming it's licensed with CC or GNU GPL or even public domain).

                                            PD doesn't require you to do anything. I didn't know that CC had a code license. BSD does not require that the code continue to be open either.

                                            No I know with Public Domain you can do whatever you want and claim it as your own. That was a bad use of that. I will admit that. But the GNU GPL is the primary example. I thought CC had one for code but it's possible that's just for audio. I need to go back and do a refresher on a lot of this...

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