FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Here is the overview...
NN: X price and I control what I get with that.
No NN: X price and private companies control what I get with that.The price never changes, that's just obvious economics. NN doesn't change how expensive a packet of data is. Revoking it doesn't change that. What revoking it changes, is which packets I pay more for and which packets I pay less for.
Why? Why does it never change to free? It’s the same as if they had unlimited data.
If they had it for just Netflix and wouldn’t offer it to any other provider it would definitely be a huge bias and wrong.
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Here is the overview...
NN: X price and I control what I get with that.
No NN: X price and private companies control what I get with that.The price never changes, that's just obvious economics. NN doesn't change how expensive a packet of data is. Revoking it doesn't change that. What revoking it changes, is which packets I pay more for and which packets I pay less for.
Why? Why does it never change to free? It’s the same as if they had unlimited data.
Because this is basic economics. There is no free, the customer always pays. That's how it works.
This is like the common "free fries" trick. My a hamburger at a higher price, get fries for "free". It's not free, you just paid for it. if you want to make it really appear free, raise the price of the hamburger.
You, as the customer, are the source of income. You will always have to pay for what you get. There is no free, that's always an illusion. You always pay, anything like free or unlimited is just a pay to manipulate your emotions because humans are suckers for the concept of free, even when logically they know it isn't.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If they had it for just Netflix and wouldn’t offer it to any other provider it would definitely be a huge bias and wrong.
But that's how it started. Then it was modified, but it is still for certain TYPES of providers. It's not universal. Unless it is universal, we have a problem.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
https://www.t-mobile.com/offer/binge-on-streaming-video.html
Actually looks like all video providers are now signed on... it was simply Verizon who was pissed.
How is this "all", it clearly looks like a really tiny list. Anything but "all".
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
Then why was Comcast still throttling Netflix to 10mb through the entire life of the bill?
I’ll post some specific verbage on this.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
Then why was Comcast still throttling Netflix to 10mb through the entire life of the bill?
I’ll post some specific verbage on this.
Corruption, a constant complaint. How did Pai allow that all of this time? I'm assume he has a nice vacation package from it.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
Then why was Comcast still throttling Netflix to 10mb through the entire life of the bill?
I’ll post some specific verbage on this.
Corruption, a constant complaint. How did Pai allow that all of this time? I'm assume he has a nice vacation package from it.
He wasn’t in charge then...
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
Then why was Comcast still throttling Netflix to 10mb through the entire life of the bill?
I’ll post some specific verbage on this.
This is America, big companies have direct access to grease any palms that they want. The degree of corruption in the US is mind blowing. I've lived all over the world and I've never seen any culture so gripped by government corruption. That companies get away with terrible actions is to be expected. But we must hold accountable those that benefit from that corruption and not use it to excuse enabling more corruption.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
Then why was Comcast still throttling Netflix to 10mb through the entire life of the bill?
I’ll post some specific verbage on this.
Corruption, a constant complaint. How did Pai allow that all of this time? I'm assume he has a nice vacation package from it.
He wasn’t in charge then...
So he took charge today? Or Comcast wasn't actually doing this? What am I missing?
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Is null routing a ddos attack uneven access of its blocked at the edge of a network?
The FCC I believe should be adaptive and do what users want. No user wants to pay more for video. If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
The FCC I believe should be adaptive and do what users want. No user wants to pay more for video. If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
No, the FCC should protect Americans from being tricked by big corporations to take away their freedoms. We fundamentally differ on what the government should do. I think it should protect the country, not sell it out, even if the citizens are easily duped.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
How do you know this?
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
How do you know this?
Because those people would be whining and crying in the streets about it.
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
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Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
How do you know this?
Because those people would be whining and crying in the streets about it.
This is false. If ML is repressed, how would we know? We can't. That's the point. Total control, to the point that people can't tell that they are controlled. There is no one to whine and complain, the system is far too complex for that.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
Part of what you are doing is what I hate about the law itself.
Speculation instead of programmatic application of laws is what leads to all this bureaucracy.
There is never going to be perfect and definitive legislation for an ever changing internet
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
Only if you then raise prices artificially to make it SEEM like those things were lowering prices, which we know can't be true. It doesn't work this way. The private companies will just raise prices to convince people of anything.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
Only if you then raise prices artificially to make it SEEM like those things were lowering prices, which we know can't be true. It doesn't work this way. The private companies will just raise prices to convince people of anything.
Would love to see a mobile provider raise their data prices. Wouldn’t work out too well for them.
Again speculation over pragmatism.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
Part of what you are doing is what I hate about the law itself.
Speculation instead of programmatic application of laws is what leads to all this bureaucracy.
There is never going to be perfect and definitive legislation for an ever changing internet
Why? Why do you need all this legal stuff? All packets are equal, done. It's easy. SO EASY. This "ever changing Internet" is BS. There is nothing in the technology that matters. Hundred year old laws will work perfectly for this. The idea that new network tech makes equal access antiquated is crazy. What possible change to technology could have such an effect? Certainly no technology that exists today or has been thought of for the future.
