First Numbers from CloudFlare
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CloudFlare's numbers always seem huge compared to every other analytics tool I've seen. Do they just over-inflate the values or not count them right?
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
CloudFlare's numbers always seem huge compared to every other analytics tool I've seen. Do they just over-inflate the values or not count them right?
Or do they show realistically what's there? CloudFlare showed us gaining numbers rapidly once it was in front and HTTPS was turned on. It shows requests, the other numbers that we have are heavily filtered (we can watch them go down every hour as certain types of traffic are removed.) The CF numbers are the only ones that show raw what is happening including cache hits and such that don't make it through to the application itself.
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From what we can tell, and it is a pretty huge guess, using CF caused our traffic to increase by 50-100%. It makes the site faster, improves SEO and it is when HTTPS was enabled so it's not at all unlikely that it had a huge effect.
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But which is the more honest appraisal of traffic. What is the right way to monitor engagement levels on the site? Why do the other providers have harsher filters with lower numbers?
The math makes me nervous, you'll naturally want to believe the higher traffic numbers, my own website shows really high CloudFlare values but all the other tools are more discouraging.
I'm not convinced that CloudFlare gives you any boost in traffic or SEO. What else are you using for analytics? Has that equally gone up?
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
I'm not convinced that CloudFlare gives you any boost in traffic or SEO. What else are you using for analytics? Has that equally gone up?
CF would have to be lying for that not to be the case. The numbers increased over time as CF was applied. For four days there was solid increases, which is about what we would expect from a change that impacted SE rankings. We definitely got an increase in reports of being high on SE results after moving to CF.
Other analytics have not gone up, but should not, because they should have gone done if the traffic was flat because some of the traffic was offloaded to CF. CF absorbed nearly half a million requests during the month that didn't come through at all. That's pretty huge.
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
But which is the more honest appraisal of traffic. What is the right way to monitor engagement levels on the site? Why do the other providers have harsher filters with lower numbers?
None are everything on their own. There is no right way because nothing can tell you engagement. Nothing measures the amount of time spent actually reading, pondering, scrolling, etc. So the best you can do is use a combination of tools.
CF is good because it is standard and equitable. Even if it is on the generous side, the collection is uniform.
NodeBB errs on the farthest other side, the most conservative possible numbers. It does things like ignore time on a page, throws out refreshes and such. So a lot of behaviour that every other site would consider a page view, NodeBB collapses into a single event. It's the most conservative numbers that I've ever seen and the only platform that I've ever seen "clean up" to reduce the numbers once it has data on where the traffic came from.
So the one is clearly liberal, it shows all traffic. The other is very conservative, only showing traffic it feels meets certain criteria.
Putting the two together gives you the best picture, but even that is full of guess work. What do the numbers represent? Are people popping in and leaving? Are they hanging around and reading stuff? Are they reading one post and moving on? Are they scrolling down and reading post after post? We just can't determine that because those things don't include "clicks".
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
Why do the other providers have harsher filters with lower numbers?
Most have little to no means to see all of the data. Google Analytics, for example, has a lot of data but misses a lot of the traffic. It can't read what is going on inside of the NodeBB platform. So it misses things like moving from one thread to another. Anything on the server misses anything picked up the cache and so forth. CF is unique in collecting the data first, before different systems pick up the parts.
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
What else are you using for analytics? Has that equally gone up?
What else is there? Not sure what else is capable of collecting the data.
I should say... if early June is an indicator, this will be a record month. But it is far too early to tell. But it is possible to know what causes increases or decreases in traffic month to month. It fluctuates a lot so very hard to determine individual causes.
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@scottalanmiller said
So it misses things like moving from one thread to another. Anything on the server misses anything picked up the cache and so forth. CF is unique in collecting the data first, before different systems pick up the parts.
Doesn't google analytics track by the URL as nodebb is not 1 single page. From what I've seen of it you can monitor real data on your users. Gender, age groups, other interests, bounce-rate, how long they spend on each page, what's the record page where viewers remain.
If I say my website has X number of visitors per day based on an extremely broad filter on what is considered a unique visitor. Should I feel confident in telling the world those stats?
@scottalanmiller said
What else is there? Not sure what else is capable of collecting the data.
Well, what does Google Analytics think? What are the numbers from that? Can we weigh the conservative V the liberal stats?
There are a huge number of other analytics tools as well, some of them are incredibly invasive, they can even give you the name of the business who looked at your website based on the external IP, show the pages you read, show who is who at the company, lots of data.
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
Doesn't google analytics track by the URL as nodebb is not 1 single page.
It is one single page, actually. The URL changing is part of the REST API, but does not denote page loads. So GA can't tell what is happening.
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
If I say my website has X number of visitors per day based on an extremely broad filter on what is considered a unique visitor. Should I feel confident in telling the world those stats?
CF and NodeBB have very close numbers as to unique users, as they should. So that looks to be very accurate.
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
Doesn't google analytics track by the URL as nodebb is not 1 single page. From what I've seen of it you can monitor real data on your users. Gender, age groups, other interests, bounce-rate, how long they spend on each page, what's the record page where viewers remain.
It collects user data, yes. But information about their engagement it cannot gather from a custom web application that has no normal web server.
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
There are a huge number of other analytics tools as well, some of them are incredibly invasive, they can even give you the name of the business who looked at your website based on the external IP, show the pages you read, show who is who at the company, lots of data.
Yes, but can any of them give data on the traffic? Google can't. I don't know how anything could. NodeBB itself can gather one type of data and the CDN (CF in this case) can gather another. I'm not sure how any tool could give more accuracy without tapping directly into one or the other of those.
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Well what traffic data are you looking for?
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@Breffni-Potter said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
Well what traffic data are you looking for?
All of it would be nice
I'm sure Google has some interesting data, even if the volumes are incorrect. The stuff we are discussing here though is just volume, and CF and NodeBB likely have the best numbers. Most importantly, they have the only sources for accurate ones. -
There we go.... a full 12m!!
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@mlnews said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
US is the big traffic source, no surprise there. This map makes it hard to see where traffic comes from, but there it is.
So, what happened to Brisbane, Sydney and the entire nations of New Zealand, the Solomon Islands, Vanuatu etc ?
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(Just being difficult)
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@mlnews said in First Numbers from CloudFlare:
Serbia gets talked about a lot, perhaps that has caused us to show up there enough to get a lot of traffic?
I'm pretty sure there is one person for the cause of that.
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@mlnews Hi; I work for CloudFlare. Just wanted to share a few tips that might be able to help your performance:
- HTTPS - By enabling HTTPS you can allow your users to access your site through HTTP/2 and SPDY, which dramatically improves page load speed. After this is enabled, you can configure HTTP/2 Server Push to get things to be even faster.
- Page Rules - Page Rules allow you to use a "Cache Everything" setting where you can even cache static content.
- On your server be sure to whitelist CloudFlare's IPs to make sure they're not rate limiting your connection to us.
- Ensure correct cache headers are being sent to ensure the content you want to cache, is being cached by us.
Hope your enjoying our service so far! Let us know if you need any further help.
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@IcyApril said:
- HTTPS - By enabling HTTPS you can allow your users to access your site through HTTP/2 and SPDY, which dramatically improves page load speed. After this is enabled, you can configure HTTP/2 Server Push to get things to be even faster.
lol. How long has this been on @scottalanmiller todo list? It took us 2 years to get email, hopefully we can get this done faster?
