Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
To ask, can't you install .net on linux? Maybe the vendor is just being lazy or there is just some functionality that isn't in the linux version so it doesn't work there.
Yes, they specifically said that they will never do .NET on linux because they would have to 'completely re-write' their software. The windows version is .net but in linux they built it on mono.
Gotcha, so they are being lazy or don't have the capability any more to update the code on linux.
And yes, that's why I used @scottalanmiller 's term of Ghost Ship Software. Since they were bought by connectwise the product really hasn't had any major changes to it.
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Why can’t they start developing on .net core instead since that will be the one that is equally being developed Microsoft for Windows, Mac and Linux?
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@black3dynamite said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Why can’t they start developing on .net core instead since that will be the one that is equally being developed Microsoft for Windows, Mac and Linux?
Because they either don't have the desire or the talent.
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@black3dynamite said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Why can’t they start developing on .net core instead since that will be the one that is equally being developed Microsoft for Windows, Mac and Linux?
They can. They are just unwilling to put the effort in apparently.
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@black3dynamite said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Why can’t they start developing on .net core instead since that will be the one that is equally being developed Microsoft for Windows, Mac and Linux?
They can. They are just unwilling to put the effort in apparently.
They can solve this by updating their system requirements. At least people are warned that it's not great software any longer: https://docs.connectwise.com/ConnectWise_Control_Documentation/Get_started/System_requirements
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@black3dynamite said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Why can’t they start developing on .net core instead since that will be the one that is equally being developed Microsoft for Windows, Mac and Linux?
They can. They are just unwilling to put the effort in apparently.
They can solve this by updating their system requirements. At least people are warned that it's not great software any longer: https://docs.connectwise.com/ConnectWise_Control_Documentation/Get_started/System_requirements
That should be pretty obviously from their Windows "Server Requirements list"
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To ask, why are you looking at ConnectWise instead of MeshCentral? Does MC not support your client devices?
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
To ask, why are you looking at ConnectWise instead of MeshCentral? Does MC not support your client devices?
Using both. I already own SC and really wanted to be able to have two options.
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Their documentation from Dec of 2019 shows 2012 R2 as the most current supported OS for up to 10,000+ agents.
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Their documentation from Dec of 2019 shows 2012 R2 as the most current supported OS for up to 10,000+ agents.
Yeah they changed the way they do versions for some reason, latest version is 20.2.27038.7359
I guess I am spending good money after bad by paying yearly maintenance. I just expect that fee would be for them continuing to update their product, but I suppose not so much...
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@CCWTech Are you sure you aren't paying to be able to continue to have access to your deployed version?
I'm not trying to defend them here at all, just asking what does your "yearly maintenance" actually include?
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
I guess I am spending good money after bad by paying yearly maintenance. I just expect that fee would be for them continuing to update their product, but I suppose not so much...
Compare to other software we know, par for the course when you are trying to sell an online service.
Except I've learned from this experience that they are dishonest, promote criminality, and incompetent because their software (and how it is fundamentally built) is crap. So why the hell would I pay for their cloud service after their on prem service has turned out this way?
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
To ask, why are you looking at ConnectWise instead of MeshCentral? Does MC not support your client devices?
He always had two. MC has already replaced TeamViewer. And MC is now the primary and SC the backup. But the backup would be better if it wasn't so costly and worked better. It's crazy slow and wonky and now, pretty far behind on features, too.
I think the real issue is, now that everyone has seen MC, it's embarrassing how bad SC is. The amount of productivity gains we are getting from the switch is unbelievable.
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@black3dynamite said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Why can’t they start developing on .net core instead since that will be the one that is equally being developed Microsoft for Windows, Mac and Linux?
Right? The core answer that would be obvious is... because they can't. It seems like, with many software products, the core was developed by some hobbyist long ago, was "good enough" to release, and now they have people who develop fringe components of the product but don't understand how to code the core. So they are trapped, lacking the expertise to support and update their own product.
This is a common pattern that we see in software firms.
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
We interpret a different way... I'm going to use that the next time I get pulled over for speeding and see if that works out for me!
That's exactly, "I didn't steal it, I just borrowed it indefinitely without permission."
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech Are you sure you aren't paying to be able to continue to have access to your deployed version?
I'm not trying to defend them here at all, just asking what does your "yearly maintenance" actually include?
Yes, but it is supposed to include product development as well.
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech Are you sure you aren't paying to be able to continue to have access to your deployed version?
I'm not trying to defend them here at all, just asking what does your "yearly maintenance" actually include?
Yes, but it is supposed to include product development as well.
Again, not defending these people, but does it say that anywhere?
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If you are trying to manage thousands of computers via ScreenConnect, you can afford to plan you business on running a single Windows Server instance to host it. Would it be cheaper (slightly) to run it on Linux? Sure. But that does not change the fact that if you are at that scale, you should easily be able to handle a Server license.
Additionally, it is not a law being broken. It is a license agreement being violated. Licensing agreements can be, but are not always, subject to contract law and/or intellectual property laws.
In the not scottland of reality, almost no one even knows WTF you are talking about. It is not black and white, no matter how much scott tries to say it is. If everything was simply black and white, we would not have pretty much any of the issues our society has. Tech or not.
On top of that you were using chat which almost certain connected you to some low paid grunt reading from fixed knowledge base articles.
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@scottalanmiller said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
I think the real issue is, now that everyone has seen MC, it's embarrassing how bad SC is. The amount of productivity gains we are getting from the switch is unbelievable.
While possibly true for you, Mesh Central is absolute crap to me.
I used it for months as the primary connection to one client to make sure I actually used it.Your opinion is not reality for anyone except you.
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@JaredBusch said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@scottalanmiller said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
I think the real issue is, now that everyone has seen MC, it's embarrassing how bad SC is. The amount of productivity gains we are getting from the switch is unbelievable.
While possibly true for you, Mesh Central is absolute crap to me.
I used it for months as the primary connection to one client to make sure I actually used it.Your opinion is not reality for anyone except you.
I've got lots of users on it and while it has taken them a bit to get over making the change, once they do, everyone is finding it way more productive.
Cuts our connection time by like 90%. We can actually start helping customers almost instantly instead of spending so much time waiting for ScreenConnect to finally be able to load its device list. We spend just as much time waiting for SC's list to stop flashing from its load problems as it does to complete the process of accessing a device in MC.
The difference is staggering. And running commands, we've had people lose so much time... days in fact, for issues that MC solved in minutes.
It's anything but "just me".
