Any Experiences with SOS Online Backup?
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@coliver said:
Really? I'm pretty sure I've got it setup that way. My computer at home is off or I would remote in and check.
That's what rules out all of these products for most people. They need to back up SMB/CIFS shares but they can't. I don't know any product in this category that does that.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
Really? I'm pretty sure I've got it setup that way. My computer at home is off or I would remote in and check.
That's what rules out all of these products for most people. They need to back up SMB/CIFS shares but they can't. I don't know any product in this category that does that.
Hmmm, I will look into it when I get home. I know it isn't using webdav as I haven't been able to make that work with Windows 8.
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It's iSCSI that works around the issue. Because that makes it a block device, just like any local disk.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
How is that? Not sure what I'm using for the protocol, although I'm guessing it's CIFS...
How do you not know? How are you mounting it?
I'm a little confused as well... how are you accessing your files? With a UNC or via a mounted share?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
How is that? Not sure what I'm using for the protocol, although I'm guessing it's CIFS...
How do you not know? How are you mounting it?
Just as a network drive in Windows.
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@thanksaj said:
Just as a network drive in Windows.
He means CIFS. Anyone who doesn't know what shares are and protocols are is using SMB/CIFS. There is no way he's installed NFS and is using that.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Just as a network drive in Windows.
He means CIFS. Anyone who doesn't know what shares are and protocols are is using SMB/CIFS. There is no way he's installed NFS and is using that.
Is NFS working for Windows? The last time I used it I couldn't get the connection to be stable.
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@coliver said:
Is NFS working for Windows? The last time I used it I couldn't get the connection to be stable.
Not well but it has been built into the OS for a long time. Like iSCSI, it's super crappy and should never be used. But they are both there.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
Is NFS working for Windows? The last time I used it I couldn't get the connection to be stable.
Not well but it has been built into the OS for a long time. Like iSCSI, it's super crappy and should never be used. But they are both there.
Ah, good to know I wasn't at fault when setting that up.
Too be fair CIFS works fine for pretty much everything, SAMBA on Linux is very stable. I just wanted to see how NFS was handled on Windows.
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Yeah, everything on Linux is stable. SMB, NFS, AFP, iSCSI, Software RAID.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Just as a network drive in Windows.
He means CIFS. Anyone who doesn't know what shares are and protocols are is using SMB/CIFS. There is no way he's installed NFS and is using that.
Which is why I'd said I was pretty sure it was CIFS...
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@thanksaj we are just shocked that you aren't completely confident what protocols you are using for filesharing on your home network.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj we are just shocked that you aren't completely confident what protocols you are using for filesharing on your home network.
I was about 98% sure it was CIFS. I honestly couldn't care less what protocol it uses, as long as it works.
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I mean, let's be honest. If it works, you have no stability or performance issues, and you never actually are selecting the protocol (as in, there's no option to use CIFS or something else when mapping a drive in Windows...it just maps), does it really matter? It might be cool to know but I always assumed it was CIFS and just didn't give it too much thought.
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@thanksaj said:
I mean, let's be honest. If it works, you have no stability or performance issues, and you never actually are selecting the protocol (as in, there's no option to use CIFS or something else when mapping a drive in Windows...it just maps), does it really matter? It might be cool to know but I always assumed it was CIFS and just didn't give it too much thought.
Did you really just say this to IT people? Yes, understanding how your computer works always matters.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
I mean, let's be honest. If it works, you have no stability or performance issues, and you never actually are selecting the protocol (as in, there's no option to use CIFS or something else when mapping a drive in Windows...it just maps), does it really matter? It might be cool to know but I always assumed it was CIFS and just didn't give it too much thought.
Did you really just say this to IT people? Yes, understanding how your computer works always matters.
Yes I did. Understanding how a computer works is important. But when I have no option to select one protocol over another, unless I'm having an issue and need to figure out a work around, knowing is purely informational and presents minimal benefits. Now if I had options and choosing one over the other meant certain advantages and disadvantages, then that would be different. But that's not the case.
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@thanksaj said:
Yes I did. Understanding how a computer works is important. But when I have no option to select one protocol over another, unless I'm having an issue and need to figure out a work around, knowing is purely informational and presents minimal benefits. Now if I had options and choosing one over the other meant certain advantages and disadvantages, then that would be different. But that's not the case.
You just weren't aware of your options. If you don't know that you are using SMB, how do you determine when you need to work on SMB permissions or NTFS ACLs, for example?
Understanding computer basics is the underpinnings of IT. How do you troubleshoot issues for people if you don't know what's going on under the hood?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Yes I did. Understanding how a computer works is important. But when I have no option to select one protocol over another, unless I'm having an issue and need to figure out a work around, knowing is purely informational and presents minimal benefits. Now if I had options and choosing one over the other meant certain advantages and disadvantages, then that would be different. But that's not the case.
You just weren't aware of your options. If you don't know that you are using SMB, how do you determine when you need to work on SMB permissions or NTFS ACLs, for example?
Understanding computer basics is the underpinnings of IT. How do you troubleshoot issues for people if you don't know what's going on under the hood?
Again, if something like that had been a concern, it would have been a different matter. But for my situation it wasn't.
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@thanksaj said:
Again, if something like that had been a concern, it would have been a different matter. But for my situation it wasn't.
You've missed the point. We're just shocked that you treat the technology like a normal home user rather than like an IT person who would want to know what is being used, how it works, what it is....
Especially since you are interested in backing it up and already need to know "what" in order to determine "how."
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Career advice: never blow off "knowing things" as being a waste. Especially when we are talking about foundational knowledge one would expect from even the most nominal power user. This is stuff that home users need to know to use consumer NAS devices. This is stuff that affects pretty much every IT person. It's way more common to need to understand SMB than Windows itself.
The mentality that "you only know things you need to know" is not a healthy one for IT. Sure, if you want to stay where you are, that's fine, if you don't need that knowledge today you simply don't need it. But if you want to grow in the field, you need to take an interest in the field and actively want to learn new things. SMB is extremely basic knowledge. There is a reason that both Microsoft and Red Hat exams require it. This is more important than Active Directory. It impacts far more than 99% of businesses and a very large number of home users.
