Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I don't believe this. Maybe 50%. I'm used as a reference for a lot of people, and almost never get calls. People ask for references way more than they call them. And even if they call them, they have to also then turn someone down based on the responses. If the response is "we had to fire them for legal reasons", sure. But if it is "they didn't give ENOUGH notice on a contract we won't show you", what buffoon is going to not hire you for that? No one with a functional company, that's for sure.
And that's still assuming that you can't get a single good reference. No one needs twenty of them, no one checks every job. It is SO easy to get good references, there is no real fear in getting stuck with a bad one.I was a manager for 8 employees and with churn had another 4-5 that would list me as a reference. I got calls on maybe 2 people ever. (Magnus and BizDPS). I prefer to leave a LinkedIn reference (A public one) when someone asks about it so they can point to that as an initial starting point. The biggest reference that matter is internal ones to the company you are going to (Like that one time I gave a reference at 3AM for John White lol). HR and managers trust people who know the companies expectations and culture.
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For the last few years, nearly all reference calls have been for interns who were ready to take their first jobs. A little different than a normal reference.
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I've always given 4 weeks. Never had any problems, panics or whatever with that, that usually meant the company actually managed to find a replacement and we had a few days of overlap, so I could hand everything over nicely.
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@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
It's okay for small amounts I think, if the relationship is good. Like "we need one extra week to get through hiring". Like that's cool. We all get along. That's when you are relocating, moving to more pay, taking an advancement, etc. When you leave because the place sucks, that's not going to work.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
I never saw this situation really. I always left on good terms of course, no awkwardness, everything done as correctly and properly as possible. And I (almost) always worked for good companies, under good managers.
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
I never saw this situation really. I always left on good terms of course, no awkwardness, everything done as correctly and properly as possible. And I (almost) always worked for good companies, under good managers.
Again, you are the exception.
Most people leave their positions because of the complete opposite of what you've posted.
Good companies AND good managers.
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
I never saw this situation really. I always left on good terms of course, no awkwardness, everything done as correctly and properly as possible. And I (almost) always worked for good companies, under good managers.
That's pretty rare. Also you aren't in the US.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Again, you are the exception.
Most people leave their positions because of the complete opposite of what you've posted.
Good companies AND good managers.
That is absolutely possible
but I still think I've been doing something right, if I managed to avoid these situations in 99% of the jobs I've held -
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
That's pretty rare. Also you aren't in the US.
I've been mostly working for US companies though. But you are right, there are reasons I don't want to live in the US
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
That's pretty rare. Also you aren't in the US.
I've been mostly working for US companies though. But you are right, there are reasons I don't want to live in the US
And it is the US that has the assumption of the two weeks number. Other countries have different customs. In the US, it borders on a legal thing, it is so strict and common.
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@scottalanmiller in Canada two weeks are in most provincial employment legislations (haven't checked them all). But if your contract says 4 weeks, it takes precedence.
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller in Canada two weeks are in most provincial employment legislations (haven't checked them all). But if your contract says 4 weeks, it takes precedence.
Employment contracts aren't normal in the US. Those are "Contract Employees" and do exist but are different from normal hire situations.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Employment contracts aren't normal in the US. Those are "Contract Employees" and do exist but are different from normal hire situations.
It's the same here in Canada, a "contract" employee is a freelancer or an incorporated individual, usually, simply sending invoices every month. But a full-time employee also has a contract to sign - terms of employment, hours, benefits, salary - all of that has to be documented and signed.
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller in Canada two weeks are in most provincial employment legislations (haven't checked them all). But if your contract says 4 weeks, it takes precedence.
Most of the US is "at will" and supersedes any contracts. Employment can't be "at contact" for normal workers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Most of the US is "at will" and supersedes any contracts. Employment can't be "at contact" for normal workers.
OK, that's just weird
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
That's pretty rare. Also you aren't in the US.
I've been mostly working for US companies though. But you are right, there are reasons I don't want to live in the US
And it is the US that has the assumption of the two weeks number. Other countries have different customs. In the US, it borders on a legal thing, it is so strict and common.
borders - but it not a legal thing.
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Most of the US is "at will" and supersedes any contracts. Employment can't be "at contact" for normal workers.
OK, that's just weird
What's weird is the need for a contract for normal workers.
Our 'contracts' are just verbal - and fluid. If at any time one side or the other is unhappy... employment can be terminated - just walk away.
Of course those who hide behind the - oh they can't fire me/redundant me without paying me some money.. that's not good for the business.
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@Dashrender said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
What's weird is the need for a contract for normal workers.
Our 'contracts' are just verbal - and fluid. If at any time one side or the other is unhappy... employment can be terminated - just walk away.
Of course those who hide behind the - oh they can't fire me/redundant me without paying me some money.. that's not good for the business.
It isn't about hiding behind anything, it's about protecting the employee and employer from each other. If you have no document stating what your job is, what's stopping the employer from telling you to wash the toilets one day, instead of doing your job? And what's stopping you from grabbing the employers' confidential data and running to the competition? NDA's and job descriptions are a typical part of any normal contract, and I mean "contract" as a document describing the employer-employee relationship, not necessarily with an outside contractor, but also with a full or part time employee. If you want to call that document by another name - please feel free to do so
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@Dashrender said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
What's weird is the need for a contract for normal workers.
Our 'contracts' are just verbal - and fluid. If at any time one side or the other is unhappy... employment can be terminated - just walk away.
Of course those who hide behind the - oh they can't fire me/redundant me without paying me some money.. that's not good for the business.
It isn't about hiding behind anything, it's about protecting the employee and employer from each other. If you have no document stating what your job is, what's stopping the employer from telling you to wash the toilets one day, instead of doing your job?
In many if not most job descriptions in the US, it includes "additional duties as assigned." So yes, that means they can ask - and require - you to clean toilets... is that somehow beneath you?
