ChromeOS vs Linux
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The topic of ChromeOS and Linux has come up once or twice I believe.
I'm trying to help my brother deal with his 'wants' and 'needs' with using and older laptop for what he wants to do with his streaming provider (some cable company that rarely gets positive comments).
So, I have ChromeOS running on a older HP laptop.. no big deal and easy to have setup. No different than starting with any other Linux based system.
And now I am sitting here at the terminal window and all the commands I would expect to work in Linux are not the same in ChromeOS.
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same?
Seems I need to know a different command base to perform things I already do in Linux on the x86 and ARM platforms...
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
ommands I would expect to work in Linux are not the same in ChromeOS
That's because you are comparing common system applications. Linux itself doesn't have commands. Even the big shells, like BASH or ZSH don't have many commands.
There is a reason that people push for it to be called GNU/Linux. Because what you are thinking of as "Linux" is the GNU tools, not Linux at all. And on Chrome, it's not GNU/Linux but Chrome/Linux or something like that. So the Linux part is truly identical, but the commands you are familiar with are not.
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same
Basically, yes. In essence, the kernel provides basic compatibility and underlying behaviour (task switching, memory resource management) allowing you to gauge performance, security and application compatibility (that is for binaries.)
But NOTHING that people think of as a system is its kernel. If you put the GNU utils on top of Windows, literally no one can tell. Is it Linux? Nope, it's Windows!
Test this with the Ubuntu for Windows in the Windows 11 Store. It'll install Ubuntu for you to run on your Windows workstation. It will look and feel exactly like Ubuntu you are used to. It IS Ubuntu. What it is not, is Linux, at all. It's 100% Windows, just with the Ubuntu user interface on top, rather than the Windows Desktop interface.
There's no Linux, whatsoever. The Linux Subsystem for Windows is an API compatibility layer NOT an implementation of Linux.
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
Seems I need to know a different command base to perform things I already do in Linux on the x86 and ARM platforms
That's correct, the commands you use are based on your interface, not on your kernel.
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The topic of ChromeOS and Linux has come up once or twice I believe.
I'm trying to help my brother deal with his 'wants' and 'needs' with using and older laptop for what he wants to do with his streaming provider (some cable company that rarely gets positive comments).
So, I have ChromeOS running on a older HP laptop.. no big deal and easy to have setup. No different than starting with any other Linux based system.
And now I am sitting here at the terminal window and all the commands I would expect to work in Linux are not the same in ChromeOS.
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same?
Seems I need to know a different command base to perform things I already do in Linux on the x86 and ARM platforms...
That's why I picked up an Intel based Chromebook when I got one. I can load Ubuntu on it and work the way I normally would.
I've got no useful experience with with the ChromeOS shell.
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@travisdh1 said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The topic of ChromeOS and Linux has come up once or twice I believe.
I'm trying to help my brother deal with his 'wants' and 'needs' with using and older laptop for what he wants to do with his streaming provider (some cable company that rarely gets positive comments).
So, I have ChromeOS running on a older HP laptop.. no big deal and easy to have setup. No different than starting with any other Linux based system.
And now I am sitting here at the terminal window and all the commands I would expect to work in Linux are not the same in ChromeOS.
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same?
Seems I need to know a different command base to perform things I already do in Linux on the x86 and ARM platforms...
That's why I picked up an Intel based Chromebook when I got one. I can load Ubuntu on it and work the way I normally would.
I've got no useful experience with with the ChromeOS shell.
I dont either. But he goal is not achievable under Ubuntu….
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@travisdh1 said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The topic of ChromeOS and Linux has come up once or twice I believe.
I'm trying to help my brother deal with his 'wants' and 'needs' with using and older laptop for what he wants to do with his streaming provider (some cable company that rarely gets positive comments).
So, I have ChromeOS running on a older HP laptop.. no big deal and easy to have setup. No different than starting with any other Linux based system.
And now I am sitting here at the terminal window and all the commands I would expect to work in Linux are not the same in ChromeOS.
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same?
Seems I need to know a different command base to perform things I already do in Linux on the x86 and ARM platforms...
That's why I picked up an Intel based Chromebook when I got one. I can load Ubuntu on it and work the way I normally would.
I've got no useful experience with with the ChromeOS shell.
I dont either. But he goal is not achievable under Ubuntu….
I wouldn't pick up a ChromeOS device for any other purpose than basic web browsing and regular Google Play Store apps.
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I haven't had a lot to do with ChromeOS but the little that I have used wasn't great.
I'd pick something else if the use case/brief allowed for it.I'd almost go with an Android tablet over ChromeOS, even taking Google's penchant for killing projects/product lines, if I liked the tablets specs
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@nadnerB said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
I haven't had a lot to do with ChromeOS but the little that I have used wasn't great.
I'd pick something else if the use case/brief allowed for it.I'd almost go with an Android tablet over ChromeOS, even taking Google's penchant for killing projects/product lines, if I liked the tablets specs
On the outside, the appearance of cOS looks decent, but the core engine is a mosh pit of unkept mice.
This is a really a small case of wanting to do one single task and being unable. Hey, I got him to consider Linux for more things than he had in the past… so now he wants to do one more.
All well and good, but sometimes it just isn’t possible.
I’ll add a ‘sub question’
Can you make cOS ignore one network adapter over another? Setting it to only know of/use the WiFi? And this is for NoMachine specifically …. -
@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@travisdh1 said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The topic of ChromeOS and Linux has come up once or twice I believe.
I'm trying to help my brother deal with his 'wants' and 'needs' with using and older laptop for what he wants to do with his streaming provider (some cable company that rarely gets positive comments).
So, I have ChromeOS running on a older HP laptop.. no big deal and easy to have setup. No different than starting with any other Linux based system.
And now I am sitting here at the terminal window and all the commands I would expect to work in Linux are not the same in ChromeOS.
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same?
Seems I need to know a different command base to perform things I already do in Linux on the x86 and ARM platforms...
That's why I picked up an Intel based Chromebook when I got one. I can load Ubuntu on it and work the way I normally would.
I've got no useful experience with with the ChromeOS shell.
I dont either. But he goal is not achievable under Ubuntu….
What does he want to do? Ubuntu can normally do much more than ChromeOS.
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
Can you make cOS ignore one network adapter over another? Setting it to only know of/use the WiFi? And this is for NoMachine specifically ….
I'd assume so, but no idea how to do that.
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The idea behind ChromeOS is to be "set and forget." It's not meant to be twiddled with.
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@scottalanmiller said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@travisdh1 said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The topic of ChromeOS and Linux has come up once or twice I believe.
I'm trying to help my brother deal with his 'wants' and 'needs' with using and older laptop for what he wants to do with his streaming provider (some cable company that rarely gets positive comments).
So, I have ChromeOS running on a older HP laptop.. no big deal and easy to have setup. No different than starting with any other Linux based system.
And now I am sitting here at the terminal window and all the commands I would expect to work in Linux are not the same in ChromeOS.
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same?
Seems I need to know a different command base to perform things I already do in Linux on the x86 and ARM platforms...
That's why I picked up an Intel based Chromebook when I got one. I can load Ubuntu on it and work the way I normally would.
I've got no useful experience with with the ChromeOS shell.
I dont either. But he goal is not achievable under Ubuntu….
What does he want to do? Ubuntu can normally do much more than ChromeOS.
It’s what he can’t do on Ubuntu, Fedora, etc; he can’t stream (x) cable provider. Everything else he can.
It is akin to being able to use Peacock, Hulu, YoutubeTV but not Netflix… lame but about sums it up.
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@scottalanmiller said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The idea behind ChromeOS is to be "set and forget." It's not meant to be twiddled with.
I get that,… why so popular with schools..
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@scottalanmiller said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The idea behind ChromeOS is to be "set and forget." It's not meant to be twiddled with.
I get that,… why so popular with schools..
@scottalanmiller said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The idea behind ChromeOS is to be "set and forget." It's not meant to be twiddled with.
This ^
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@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@scottalanmiller said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
The idea behind ChromeOS is to be "set and forget." It's not meant to be twiddled with.
I get that,… why so popular with schools..
Secure, simple, NOT to be twiddled with.
It's got everything normal people want. Less risk of people doing what they don't want.
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@scottalanmiller said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
@gjacobse said in ChromeOS vs Linux:
Have I managed to mislead myself in believing that the two - while different - are in a basic manner, the same
Basically, yes. In essence, the kernel provides basic compatibility and underlying behaviour (task switching, memory resource management) allowing you to gauge performance, security and application compatibility (that is for binaries.)
But NOTHING that people think of as a system is its kernel. If you put the GNU utils on top of Windows, literally no one can tell. Is it Linux? Nope, it's Windows!
Test this with the Ubuntu for Windows in the Windows 11 Store. It'll install Ubuntu for you to run on your Windows workstation. It will look and feel exactly like Ubuntu you are used to. It IS Ubuntu. What it is not, is Linux, at all. It's 100% Windows, just with the Ubuntu user interface on top, rather than the Windows Desktop interface.
There's no Linux, whatsoever. The Linux Subsystem for Windows is an API compatibility layer NOT an implementation of Linux.
You're thinking of WSL 1. If you follow your instructions that should be WSL 2, which does use the Linux kernel
