Copying Content from other sources

Out of curiosity, how can "copying content" be considered worthy of this request, if said content is publicly available to everyone in the US and the world as a whole?

Any lawyers around?

PenguinWrangler

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

PenguinWrangler

It would be my belief that the fair use doctrine could be pushed in this case. However, I am not a lawyer.

DustinB3403

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Which means, if we link to said insanity for our "I can't even" topic it's fair use since we are criticizing it. Which is protected under fair use!

RojoLoco

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Golly, that sure sounds like the way we were "using" content from [the site that shall not be named]. I'd go so far as to say I believe everything on ML qualifies as "fair use" under that definition.

DustinB3403

@rojoloco said in Copying Content from other sources:

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Golly, that sure sounds like the way we were "using" content from [the site that shall not be named]. I'd go so far as to say I believe everything on ML qualifies as "fair use" under that definition.

Especially since we are adding to the conversation which literally isn't allowed on [the site that shall not be named]

PenguinWrangler

@rojoloco said in Copying Content from other sources:

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Golly, that sure sounds like the way we were "using" content from [the site that shall not be named]. I'd go so far as to say I believe everything on ML qualifies as "fair use" under that definition.

That is true, but Mangolassi.it would most likely have to prove that in court. Which I don't think it is worth it. That site is junk anyway.

DustinB3403

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

@rojoloco said in Copying Content from other sources:

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Golly, that sure sounds like the way we were "using" content from [the site that shall not be named]. I'd go so far as to say I believe everything on ML qualifies as "fair use" under that definition.

That is true, but Mangolassi.it would most likely have to prove that in court. Which I don't think it is worth it. That site is junk anyway.

Law suits lost often require the party who brings the suit to restitute the defendant. At least, I would sure as shit counter sue for restitution and damages.

scottalanmiller

@dustinb3403 said in Copying Content from other sources:

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Which means, if we link to said insanity for our "I can't even" topic it's fair use since we are criticizing it. Which is protected under fair use!

Oh yes, and anything that is posted for review, to dispute, to record against abuse, all fair use for sure.

scottalanmiller

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

For copyright, material also has to be of significant creative work. Things like questions and simple answers are not copyrightable.

There is also a big legal grey area around conversations, if you are part of a conversation, it makes for a really weird copyright situation if you get to the point where copyright can be considered viable at all.

DustinB3403

This bit right here on the fairuse link from above:

Nature of the copyrighted work:  This factor analyzes the degree to which the work that was used relates to copyright’s purpose of encouraging creative expression. Thus, using a more creative or imaginative work (such as a novel, movie, or song) is less likely to support a claim of a fair use than using a factual work (such as a technical article or news item). In addition, use of an unpublished work is less likely to be considered fair.

Literally states, anything factual in nature is often found as fair use when being "copied" compared to say, copying the Harry Potter books and posting them online as a PDF for everyone to read.

RojoLoco

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

@rojoloco said in Copying Content from other sources:

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Golly, that sure sounds like the way we were "using" content from [the site that shall not be named]. I'd go so far as to say I believe everything on ML qualifies as "fair use" under that definition.

That is true, but Mangolassi.it would most likely have to prove that in court. Which I don't think it is worth it. That site is junk anyway.

So it would seem that [the site that shall not be named] engages in legal bullying to cover the incompetence and irrelevance of all their posts and their disciples. Clearly the almighty dollar has spoken, and the voice of reason and integrity was trampled underfoot.

scottalanmiller

@dustinb3403 said in Copying Content from other sources:

This bit right here on the fairuse link from above:
Nature of the copyrighted work:  This factor analyzes the degree to which the work that was used relates to copyright’s purpose of encouraging creative expression. Thus, using a more creative or imaginative work (such as a novel, movie, or song) is less likely to support a claim of a fair use than using a factual work (such as a technical article or news item). In addition, use of an unpublished work is less likely to be considered fair.
Literally states, anything factual in nature is often found as fair use when being "copies" compared to say, copying the Harry Potter books and posting them online as a PDF for everyone to read.

Yes, hence why questions and answers can't be copyrighted, basically. It's just information being posted, not creative content.

PenguinWrangler

@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

@dustinb3403 said in Copying Content from other sources:

@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:

Quoted from: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use.

Which means, if we link to said insanity for our "I can't even" topic it's fair use since we are criticizing it. Which is protected under fair use!

Oh yes, and anything that is posted for review, to dispute, to record against abuse, all fair use for sure.

The issue is, would it be worth the court fight. Mangolassi.it would have to make that decision. I have worked in Legal IT now for almost 8 years and what I have learned is that courts are for the rich people. I can't honestly afford an attorney and if one side has a lot more money than the other they will drag it out to cost the other side too much money. This happened in my divorce. My ex-mother-in-law worked for a divorce attorney. I was a prison guard making 27,000 a year. They bankrupted me. Then did it a second time a few years later when I bought a "new" car that was already four years old. The one I had replaced had over 300,000 miles on it. The thinking was that I had too much money and so they were trying to raise my child support. My child support was set at 783 a month. Made my yearly income 17604 before taxes, health insurance, etc. My take home pay for two weeks was $385.

Obsolesce

Actually, everything and anything posted by members on there is completely okay to do with whatever you want... you can reproduce, distribute, copy, etc... however you want. THis goes for all user-submitted content (User Content). Everybody agrees to this by posting on there. Here are the actual terms:

https://pastebin.com/HaCMSWpR