CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion

[DustinB3403]

@Texkonc said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

Did the original terms sheet, or whatever you agreed to when building a server have the line "prices subject to change" or something like that?

That is something that would have to be investigated.

But to sell something for a one time flat fee is identical to you purchasing a car for a flat fee, then finding out in order to continue to use the car 3 years from now you have an annual force maintenance fee. Which if you refuse to pay, the dealership takes your car away from you.

[scottalanmiller]

@Texkonc said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

Did the original terms sheet, or whatever you agreed to when building a server have the line "prices subject to change" or something like that?

Price can't be subject to change as the price was already paid. It's something you already own. Not something you continue to buy.

You can't say French fries for $1. The. After you pay and eat them say... and now $5 more. The deal, the transaction is past.

[scottalanmiller]

@DustinB3403 said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@Texkonc said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

Did the original terms sheet, or whatever you agreed to when building a server have the line "prices subject to change" or something like that?

That is something that would have to be investigated.

But to sell something for a one time flat fee is identical to you purchasing a car for a flat fee, then finding out in order to continue to use the car 3 years from now you have an annual force maintenance fee. Which if you refuse to pay, the dealership takes your car away from you.

Exactly. It's flat theft.

[nadnerB]

What's worse is they are demanding payment within 24 hours AND they have NOT sent an invoice! Combine that with this quote from their email: If this invoice is not paid your service will be put in to a suspended state and deleted.

^ They're all hallmarks of an extortion racket.

[nadnerB]

I'm closing my account. I almost never used it.
I'd switch on my VPS, reboot it a few times and then turn it off.

Every few (ok, more like 6-8) months I'd toast and rebuild the VPS to see if they'd improved (build times mainly)... NOPE! Still takes 15-20 minutes (it's been a while. I forget the exact times.) from kick off to usable. Are they coding it by hand?

[Carnival Boy]

I joined the ML bandwagon but never actually used it. I just paid my money and then forgot about it.

I only remember it when I got an e-mail this morning:

Hello,
I would like to thank you for choosing us to host your servers.
As we value your business it is important to keep your account up to date.
You currently have an invoice that has not been paid.

I'm glad they don't have my bank details! I've never heard of a company just randomly deciding to invoice someone.

[IRJ]

I think most people that bought one of their lifetime servers, never used it because the performance was so terrible. This extortion scheme lets them know how much free resources they actually have. I gotta think at least 80% of their customers don't use their services at all.

[scottalanmiller]

@IRJ said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

I think most people that bought one of their lifetime servers, never used it because the performance was so terrible. This extortion scheme lets them know how much free resources they actually have. I gotta think at least 80% of their customers don't use their services at all.

Or even remember them.

[dafyre]

@scottalanmiller said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@IRJ said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

I think most people that bought one of their lifetime servers, never used it because the performance was so terrible. This extortion scheme lets them know how much free resources they actually have. I gotta think at least 80% of their customers don't use their services at all.

Or even remember them.

I remember mine... It's in my Zabbix...showing down all the time, ha ha.

[scottalanmiller]

@dafyre said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@scottalanmiller said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@IRJ said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

I think most people that bought one of their lifetime servers, never used it because the performance was so terrible. This extortion scheme lets them know how much free resources they actually have. I gotta think at least 80% of their customers don't use their services at all.

Or even remember them.

I remember mine... It's in my Zabbix...showing down all the time, ha ha.

Now it will show down forever.

[dafyre]

@scottalanmiller said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@dafyre said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@scottalanmiller said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@IRJ said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

I think most people that bought one of their lifetime servers, never used it because the performance was so terrible. This extortion scheme lets them know how much free resources they actually have. I gotta think at least 80% of their customers don't use their services at all.

Or even remember them.

I remember mine... It's in my Zabbix...showing down all the time, ha ha.

Now it will show down forever.

Not any more. It has been moved to /dev/null. Ja ha ha ha!

[nadnerB]

aaaaannnndddd Twitter is in a flap over this too: https://twitter.com/search?q=cloudatcost&src=tyah

[nadnerB]

Oh the irony!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It burns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JaredBusch]

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10.3.1
in any manner which interferes with the CloudatCost Facilities or access thereto by other persons;
10.3.2
contrary to reasonable instructions communicated to the Customer by CloudatCost;
10.3.3
for any purpose or in any manner, directly or indirectly, in violation of applicable laws or in violation of any third party rights; or
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10.3.5
use any domain names with the string cloudatcost.

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10.5.1
any server which Network (PPS) exceed 20,000 for 5 minutes;
10.5.2
any server which CPU (%) equals 100% for 30 minutes;
10.5.3
any server which Disk iops exceed 5000 iops for 30 minutes;

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11.1.1
Maintaining the security and privacy of the Customer's property and Customer's transmissions using the Services, or the CloudatCost Facilities; and
11.1.2
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12.2.1
if the Customer fails to pay any undisputed amount when due and has not remedied such breach for a period of ten (10) business days from the due date;
12.2.2
at any time if the Customer breaches a material obligation of this Agreement and/or a Schedule, which would include a violation of the restrictions on use or the Acceptable Use Policy referred to herein;
12.2.3
immediately if Customer commits an act of bankruptcy or insolvency, is placed into liquidation or receivership, passes a resolution for its winding up (otherwise than for the purpose of amalgamation or reconstruction) or makes any assignment or arrangement for the benefit of its creditors; or
12.2.4
immediately where any law or court order or other authority prohibits CloudatCost from furnishing such Services.
12.2.5
immediately with out refund where the customer makes any attempt to tamper or hack the CloudatCost web panels.
12.2.6
immediately with out refund where the customer sends SPAM resulting in the blacklisting of CloudatCost IP Subnets.

12.3 Customer may terminate this Agreement by notice in writing to CloudatCost:

12.3.1
If CloudatCost breaches a material obligation of this Agreement and has not remedied such breach within thirty (30) business days of receipt of the written notice; or;
12.3.2
immediately if CloudatCost commits an act of bankruptcy or insolvency, is placed into liquidation or receivership, passes a resolution for its winding up (otherwise than for the purpose of amalgamation or reconstruction) or makes any assignment or arrangement for the benefit of its creditors;

12.4 Upon termination or expiration of this Agreement:

12.4.1
all amounts owing by the Customer shall immediately become due and payable;
12.4.2
the Customer shall immediately cease using the Services;
12.4.3
the Customer shall return to CloudatCost, at the Customer's expense, and make no further use of, any CloudatCost Facilities or rental Equipment at the Customer's premises or in the Customer's control, or any copies of any documentation or material or confidential information relating to the Services in the Customer's possession or control.

12.5 Termination of a Schedule and/or this Agreement through any means for any reason shall not relieve either party of any obligation accrued prior to such termination.

12.6 With respect to a Service that has a fixed Service Term, if the Customer terminates the Service under a the Service Schedule or this Agreement, without cause, or if CloudatCost terminates this Agreement or a Schedule for cause, the Customer shall pay to CloudatCost, as liquidated damages and not as a penalty, an amount which is equal to the sum of:

the greater of 50% of (i) the average monthly charges for the terminated Service(s) (as determined over the previous three months) multiplied by the number of months remaining in the Service Term from the effective date of termination or (ii) if applicable, the minimum monthly commitment for the terminated Service(s) for the balance of the Service Term (prorated, in the case of a yearly minimum monthly commitment) calculated from the effective date of termination;
any cost which CloudatCost is liable to continue to pay to third parties for the remainder of the applicable Service Term incurred by CloudatCost with the knowledge and/or approval of the Customer for the provision of the terminated Service(s); and
a lump sum representing the aggregated total of any installation, one-time or monthly recurring charges associated with the terminated Service(s) which have been waived or discounted by CloudatCost in consideration of the Customer's commitment to the Service Term for such Service(s). The Customer acknowledges that the termination fees described in this Agreement represent liquidated damages and not a penalty

13. OWNERSHIP

13.1 The Customer does not have property rights in dial numbers and in some cases "IP" numbers or domain names assigned to them. CloudatCost may change such numbers or domain names assigned to the Customer provided that CloudatCost is requested to do so by a legal or regulatory authority, including without limitation, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) or a court order, and provided that CloudatCost promptly notifies the Customer of any such action.

13.2 Any software and accompanying documentation provided by CloudatCost to the Customer remains the property of CloudatCost or its licensors. The Customer shall take reasonable steps to protect such software or documentation from theft, loss or damage. The Customer must review and agree to any applicable end user license agreement (provided separately or in a Service Schedule) before installing or using the software or documentation. Unless otherwise provided in the applicable end user license agreement, all software licenses will terminate upon termination of this Agreement.
14. NO WARRANTY

14.1 CLOUDATCOST DOES NOT GUARANTEE ERROR-FREE OR UNINTERRUPTED OPERATION OF THE SERVICES NOR SHALL IT BE LIABLE FOR ANY FAILURE, BREAKDOWN, INTERRUPTION OR DEGRADATION IN A SERVICE OR IN THE NETWORK OR ANY OTHER NETWORK OR CONNECTION INVOLVED IN THE PROVISION OR USE OF SERVICES WHATEVER THE CAUSE OF SUCH FAILURE, BREAKDOWN, DEGRADATION OR INTERRUPTION AND HOWEVER LONG IT LASTS. NEITHER CLOUDATCOST NOR ANY OF ITS AFFILIATES, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR REPRESENTATIVES MAKES ANY WARRANTIES, REPRESENTATIONS ,CONDITIONS OR GUARANTEES OF ANY NATURE WHATSOEVER REGARDING ANY SERVICE, PRODUCT EQUIPMENT OR CLOUDATCOST FACILITIES PROVIDED BY CLOUDATCOST TO THE CUSTOMER, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THOSE RELATING TO: (I) FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR MERCHANTABILITY WITH RESPECT TO THE SERVICES; (II) NETWORK TRANSMISSION CAPACITY; (III) THE SECURITY OF ANY TRANSACTION; (IV) THE FAULT TOLERANCE OF THE SERVICES OR THE SUITABILITY OF SAME FOR HIGH RISK ACTIVITIES; OR (V) THE RELIABILITY OR COMPATIBILITY OF THE CLOUDATCOST FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT OR SOFTWARE OF THIRD PARTIES WHICH MAY BE UTILIZED BY CLOUDATCOST IN PROVIDING, OR BY THE CUSTOMER IN USING, THE SERVICES, AND ALL WARRANTIES, REPRESENTATIONS AND CONDITIONS, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, ARE, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, HEREBY EXCLUDED. THE CUSTOMER ACKNOWLEDGES THAT IS HAS NOT RELIED UPON ANY REPRESENTATION, WARRANTY, CONDITION OR GUARANTEE MADE BY CLOUDATCOST.
15. Limitation of Liability

15.1 For the purposes of this Article 15 and Articles 16 and 17 , "CloudatCost" shall include CloudatCost, any affiliated or subsidiary companies of CloudatCost, and the directors, officers, employees, consultants, contractors and agents of all of them.

15.2 Except with regard to direct damages to real or tangible personal property, or for bodily injury or death proximately caused by CloudatCost' negligence, CloudatCost' entire liability to the Customer, the End Users or any third party in connection with the Services(s), the Equipment and CloudatCost Facilities or the provision or non-provision thereof is limited to the Customer's proven direct damages, such amount not to exceed per claim (or in the aggregate during any three (3) month period) the amount paid by the Customer for one month of the affected Service(s)) (such amount to be based on average monthly charges paid by the Customer over the six (6) months prior to the month in which the damages was incurred or the length of the Agreement, whichever is less).

15.3 Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, CloudatCost shall not be liable for:

defamation or copyright or trademark infringement or the violation of any third party rights arising from the use of the Services or material transmitted or received over CloudatCost' network;
infringement of patents arising from combining or using Customer or End User equipment with the Services or CloudatCost Facilities;
any act or omission of any connecting carrier, underlying carrier, local exchange telephone company, local access provider, or acts or omissions of any other providers of connections, facilities (including equipment), or service other than CloudatCost', which are used by CloudatCost, the Customer or the End Users under this Agreement;
delays with respect to the installation of Services or the transfer of existing Services;
capacity shortages not directly caused by CloudatCost;
any unauthorized use of the Services;
Service interruptions, errors, delays or defects in transmission or failure to transmit caused by power fluctuations or power failure at the Customer's or the End Users' location(s);
Service interruptions, errors, delays or defects in transmission or failure to transmit caused by CloudatCost in the performance of system or emergency maintenance under Section 5.2 hereof; or
Service interruptions, errors, delays or defects in transmission or failure to transmit caused by an act of God, fortuitous event, war, insurrection, riot, strike, walkout, lockout or other labour unrest affecting CloudatCost or its suppliers, storm, fire, flood, explosion, lightning, government restraint, delays in producing supplies, shortages of suitable labour, equipment or materials, power shortages or interruptions or any other event beyond the reasonable control of CloudatCost.

15.4 UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL CLOUDATCOST BE LIABLE FOR ANY LOSS, COST, CLAIM OR DAMAGE (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, EXEMPLARY, PUNITIVE, CONSEQUENTIAL, INDIRECT OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, LOST SAVINGS, LOST PROFITS, DAMAGES FOR HARM TO BUSINESS, ANTICIPATED REVENUE OR LOST REVENUE OR THE LOSS OF ANY DATA/INFORMATION) SUFFERED OR INCURRED BY THE CUSTOMER OR ANY THIRD PARTY (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE END USERS) AND ARISING OUT OF ANY FAULTS, INTERRUPTIONS OR DELAYS IN THE SERVICES OR OUT OF ANY INACCURACIES, ERRORS OR OMISSIONS IN THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE SERVICES WHETHER OR NOT CLOUDATCOST HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

15.5 CloudatCost will not be liable for any damages arising out of or relating to: facilities, equipment, software, applications, services or content provided by the Customer, the End Users or third parties; unauthorized access to or theft, alteration, loss or destruction of the Customer's, the End User's or third parties' applications, content, data, programs, information, network or systems by any means (including without limitation viruses); or any act, omission or failure of the Customer.

15.6 In no event shall CloudatCost be liable for the use of the Services by the Customer, the End Users or any third party for unlawful or illegal purposes.

15.7 These limitations of liability shall apply regardless of the form of action, whether in contract, warranty, strict liability, or tort, including without limitation negligence of any kind, whether active or passive, or any combination thereof, and shall survive failure of an exclusive remedy.
16. Liability of the Customer

16.1 For the purposes of this Article and Articles 16, 17 [?] and 18, "Customer" shall include the Customer and any affiliated or subsidiary companies of the Customer, and the directors, officers, employees, consultants, contractors and agents of all of them.

16.2 The Customer shall be liable to CloudatCost for all damages caused to real or tangible personal property, or for bodily injury or death caused by the Customer or an End User.

16.3 UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL THE CUSTOMER BE LIABLE FOR INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, RELIANCE, OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING DAMAGES FOR HARM TO BUSINESS, LOST PROFITS, LOST SAVINGS OR LOST REVENUES, WHETHER OR NOT CUSTOMER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF SUCH DAMAGES.
17. Indemnity

17.1 The Customer shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless CloudatCost from and against all damages, liabilities, obligations, losses, injuries, claims, demands, penalties, costs and expenses (including reasonable legal fees and disbursements) arising from any and all claims by any person, including without limitation any End User, based on: the content of any transmissions by the Customer or any End User using the Services; the use of the Service by the Customer or any End User, including without limitation, in contravention of the restrictions outlined in Article 4; the Customer's or a End User's facilities or connections provided by the Customer or a End User; or the breach by the Customer or any End User of any term, condition or warranty of the Agreement.
18. Confidentiality of information & Privacy

18.1 Unless the Customer provides express consent or disclosure is required pursuant to a legal power, all information kept by CloudatCost regarding the Customer, other than the Customer's name, address, and listed telephone number, is confidential and may not be disclosed by CloudatCost to anyone other than

the Customer;
a person who, in the reasonable judgment of CloudatCost, is seeking the information as an agent of the Customer;
another telephone company, provided the information is required for the efficient and cost-effective provision of telecommunication service and disclosure is made on a confidential basis with the information to be used only for that purpose;
a company involved in supplying the Customer with telephone or telephone directory related services, provided the information is required for that purpose and disclosure is made on a confidential basis with the information to be used only for that purpose;
an agent retained by CloudatCost to evaluate Customer's creditworthiness, to assist in the collection of the Customer's account, or to perform other administrative functions, provided the information is required for and is to be used only for that purpose;
a law enforcement agency whenever CloudatCost has reasonable grounds to believe that the Customer has supplied false or misleading information or is otherwise involved in unlawful activities;
a public authority or agent of a public authority, for emergency public alerting purposes, if a public authority has determined that there is an imminent or unfolding danger that threatens the life, health or security of an individual and that the danger could be avoided or minimized by disclosure of information; or
an affiliate, agent or contractor of CloudatCost involved in supplying the Customer with telecommunications and/or broadcasting services, provided the information is required for that purpose and disclosure is made on a confidential basis with the information to be used only for that purpose.

18.2 For further information about how a Customer's personal information is treated, please see the CloudatCost Privacy Policy.

18.3 For certain Services that are provided in conjunction with a specified branding partner, CloudatCost may share information with the branding partner in order to offer customers products and services that they may find attractive. In the Service Schedule, Customer shall be informed about the branding partner and Customer's consent shall be sought for the collection, use, and disclosure of Customer's personal information by and between CloudatCost and the branding partner (and their respective affiliates, agents and contractors) for the following purposes:

to provide a positive Customer experience, and deliver, bill for, and collect payment for products and services;
to understand Customer requirements and preferences and make information available regarding products and services offered by CloudatCost, the branding partner and their affiliates, agents and contractors;

19. General

19.1 Force Majeure. CloudatCost will not be liable to the Customer by reason of any failure in performance under this Agreement (other than a failure to pay money) if such failure arises out of causes beyond the reasonable control of CloudatCost, provided CloudatCost makes reasonable efforts to limit or remedy such effect. Such causes may include, but are not limited to, acts of God, acts of the public enemy, acts of civil or military authority, fires, strikes, unavailability of energy source, delay in transportation, riots or war.

19.2 Notice. Any communication required to be given under this Agreement must be given in writing and either delivered personally, or sent by prepaid registered post, overnight and/or express courier, or facsimile or other electronic communication to the person at the relevant address detailed as follows:
CloudatCost.com
235-B Ardelt Avenue, Kitchener, ON N2C 2M3, Email: [email protected]

The Customer: as set out in the applicable Schedule or to such other person or address as notified in writing by a party from time to time. Any notice or other communication is deemed to be received:

if delivered personally or by overnight and/or express courier, on delivery;
if sent by prepaid registered post, five (5) business days after the date of posting unless actually received earlier;
by facsimile or electronic communication, the day following transmission.

19.3 Governing Law. This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of Ontario and the laws of Canada applicable therein, without reference to its principles of conflict of laws, and the parties shall attorn to the jurisdiction of the Courts of Ontario for all matters arising under this Agreement.

19.4 Entire Agreement. This Agreement together with all schedules attached hereto from time to time contains the entire contractual arrangements between the parties with respect to the subject matter of this Agreement and supersedes all other communications, negotiations, correspondence, arrangements, understandings, or representations, oral or written, between the parties relating to same.

19.5 Severability. Any provision of this Agreement that is unenforceable at law will be ineffective to the extent of such unenforceability without invalidating the remaining provisions of this Agreement. It is the intention of the parties that any provision found to be illegal or unenforceable should not be terminated but should be amended to the extent necessary to render it valid and enforceable.

19.6 Relationship of Parties. The relationship between CloudatCost and the Customer is that of independent contractors. Neither this Agreement nor the provision of Services by CloudatCost creates, nor shall be deemed to create, an agency, partnership, joint understanding or joint venture between CloudatCost and the Customer. The Customer does not have, and will not hold itself out as having, any authority to act for or create any obligation of, or make any representation on behalf of or in the name of, CloudatCost. No agents or employees of the Customer shall be deemed to be agents or employees of CloudatCost.

19.7 Waiver. No failure by CloudatCost to exercise any right under this Agreement or to insist upon full compliance by the Customer with its obligations under this Agreement will constitute a waiver of any provision of this Agreement.

19.8 Assignment. Customer may not assign this Agreement without the prior written consent of CloudatCost. This Agreement will be binding upon, and will enure to the benefit of, the parties and their respective successors and permitted assigns.

19.9 Order of Preference. In the event of conflict between this Agreement and any other Schedule attached hereto by reference, the terms and conditions of the applicable Schedule will prevail to the extent of the conflict.

19.10This Agreement has been drawn up in the English language at the express request of the parties.
20 Modifications

20.1 The terms of this Agreement, including fees, charges, features, content or any other aspects of a Service, may change at any time and without prior notice. The Customer is responsible for frequently reviewing this Agreement posted on CloudatCost' web site to obtain timely notice of any such changes.
21 Contacts and Questions?

21.1 If you have any questions about this Agreement, please e-mail CloudatCost at [email protected].

ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY

When using CloudatCost' Internet access services, hosting services, internetworking services, or any other message or communication services that may be available to the Customer on or through CloudatCost' systems (collectively, the " Services"), the Customer is prohibited from engaging in certain activities which include, but are not limited to, those described in this Acceptable Use Policy.

For the purposes of this Acceptable Use Policy, "CloudatCost" means CloudatCost.com and its affiliates and subsidiaries. A "Customer" is an individual or organization that has a service agreement or contract with CloudatCost for use of the Services, or otherwise uses the Services.

1. Consequences of Breach of this Acceptable Use Policy

If the Customer engages in any of the prohibited activities described below it may, at the sole discretion of CloudatCost and without notice to the Customer, result in the immediate (1) restriction, suspension or termination of the Customer's use of the Services without compensation to the Customer, (2) blocking or filtering of the Customer's content, data or materials, (3) application of complaint processing fees, disconnection fees and additional service charges to the Customer's account, (4) deletion of the Customer's content, data or materials from CloudatCost' servers, or (5) involvement of law enforcement agencies. Such activities may also result in civil or criminal liability. The foregoing applies notwithstanding any language or term to the contrary contained in any agreement that the Customer may have with CloudatCost.

The Customer is responsible for use of the Services by any third party who directly or indirectly utilizes the Services provided by CloudatCost to the Customer, whether or not such use has been authorized by the Customer.
2. Disclaimer and Assumption of Risk

Nothwithstanding this Acceptable Use Policy, the Customer makes use of the Services at its own risk. These risks include, among other things, credit card theft, identity theft, fraud, solicitation, stalking, invasion of privacy, unwanted receipt of offensive or obscene material, trespass to chattels or denial of service attacks. CloudatCost expressly disclaims any obligation to monitor its Customers and other Customers with respect to violations of this Acceptable Use Policy. CloudatCost accepts no responsibility, whether in contract, tort or otherwise for any damage sustained by the Customer or any Customers in using the Services.
3. Cooperation with Other Providers and Law Enforcement Authorities

CloudatCost may cooperate with other on-line service providers to discourage and resist abuses of acceptable use policies. CloudatCost reserves the right to report illegal activities to governmental authorities and to assist them in any prosecution.
4. Criminal Offences

While using the Services, the Customer is prohibited from posting, uploading, reproducing, distributing or otherwise transmitting information or materials where such activity constitutes a criminal offence or from otherwise engaging in or assisting others to engage in any criminal offence including, but not limited to, those offences listed below:

Communicating hatred
Pyramid selling
Unauthorized use of a computer
Invasion of privacy
Mischief in relation to data
Violations of the Canadian Anti-Spam Legislation (CASL)
Fraud
Defamatory libel
Obscenity
Child pornography
Harassment/stalking
Uttering threats

5. Civil Offences and Violations of the Rights of Others

While using the Services, the Customer is prohibited from posting, uploading, reproducing, distributing or otherwise transmitting information or materials where such activity gives rise to civil liability or from otherwise violating the rights or assisting others to violate the rights of CloudatCost or any third party, including, but not limited to, the violations listed below:

Copyright infringement
Trade-mark infringement
Patent infringement
Misappropriation of trade secrets
Defamation

6. Injurious Code

Customers may not use the Network to distribute, receive communications or data gleaned from, or execute any action directed by any type of injurious code, including but not limited to:

Trojans
Key loggers
Viruses
Malware
Botnets
Denial of service attacks
Flood or mail bombs
Logic bombs

Any other actions which CloudatCost reserves the sole right to determine to be malicious in intent.
7. Spamming and Email Violations

In addition to being forbidden from performing any acts made illegal by the Canadian Anti-Spam Legislation (CASL), Customers may not send bulk email utilizing their Network resources unless they maintain a double-authorized list of subscribed members including IP addresses and relevant contact information, along with following guidelines for including removal links with all sent emails according to the Canadian Anti-Spam Legislation (CASL). Customers are forbidden from taking any action that would result in their IP addresses, or any IP address associated with CloudatCost or other Customers, being placed on any blacklist. CloudatCost reserves the right to terminate with no refund any account which sends spam.
8. Other Prohibited Activities

While using the Services, the Customer is prohibited from engaging in or assisting others to engage in any activity that: (1) violates applicable policies, rules or guidelines of CloudatCost or other on-line service providers, (2) disrupts or threatens the integrity, operation or security of any Service or any computer or Internet system, (3) elicits complaints from other Internet users or Internet service providers, (4) is contrary to any law or regulation, or (5) is otherwise objectionable. Examples of such prohibited activity include, but are not limited to:

Scanning or probing another computer system
Obstructing or bypassing computer identification or security procedures
Engaging in unauthorized computer or network trespass
Maintaining a relay service open to the general public
Engaging in denial of service attacks
Posting, uploading, reproducing, distributing or otherwise transmitting any data, information or software that constitutes a virus, trojan horse, worm or other harmful or disruptive component
Exporting equipment, software, or data outside of Canada or the U.S. in contravention of applicable export control legislation
Falsifying address information, modifying message headers to conceal the Customer's identity or impersonating others, for the purpose of circumventing this Acceptable Use Policy
Posting, uploading, reproducing, distributing, otherwise transmitting, or collecting responses from unauthorized or unsolicited duplicative e-mail messages, junk or bulk e-mail messages, chain letters, newsgroup postings or other "spam"
Engaging in any conduct that directly or indirectly encourages, facilitates, promotes, relies upon or permits the foregoing prohibited activities including, without limitation, failing to implement reasonable technical or administrative measures to prevent spam, viruses and worms

9. Indemnification

The Customer will indemnify and hold harmless CloudatCost from all demands, claims, proceedings, awards, action, damages, losses, costs, charges and expenses, including legal fees, incurred by or made against CloudatCost, which result from or relate to violation by the Customer of this Acceptable Use Policy. The Customer shall give CloudatCost prompt notice of any such demand, claim or proceeding that the customer is aware of.
10. Use of Subscribers

Customer is responsible for the acts of others utilizing their Network access, and will be held responsible for violations of this AUP by their subscribers, sub-users or persons who gain access to the Network using the Customer's access codes. Any activity that a Customer is prohibited from performing by this AUP is equally prohibited to anyone using the Network-access of the Customer. Accordingly, Customers agree to take the following actions to control the activities of those who connect to the Network by any means.
11. Modifications

The terms of this Acceptable Use Policy may change at any time and without prior notice. The Customer is responsible for frequently reviewing this Acceptable Use Policy posted on CloudatCost' web site to obtain timely notice of any such changes.
11. Contacts and Questions

If you have any questions about this Acceptable Use Policy or to report any Internet abuses, please e-mail CloudatCost at [email protected].

[Texkonc]

Was that TOS before or after?

[DustinB3403]

@Texkonc Odds are after their changes based on the source.

[JaredBusch]

@Texkonc said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

Was that TOS before or after?

That is the new/current ToS that you have to click you agree on before you can access your instances.

[scottalanmiller]

@JaredBusch said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

@Texkonc said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

Was that TOS before or after?

That is the new/current ToS that you have to click you agree on before you can access your instances.

They can't require a new ToS to access something you already own. So they aren't even remotely valid.

[stacksofplates]

So I've got the email around 4 days in a row now. I cancelled my account in 2015 and double checked that I couldn't get into the portal. So they are apparently just spamming previous customers regardless of status with the same email.

[JaredBusch]

@stacksofplates said in CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion:

So I've got the email around 4 days in a row now. I cancelled my account in 2015 and double checked that I couldn't get into the portal. So they are apparently just spamming previous customers regardless of status with the same email.

I am gettign them also, but my account has never been canceled.