Cruising is finally coming into this century
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
If you are lone IT or a CEO...... Are you really saying that they aren't that important?
Yes. Ultimately, yes.
CEOs do no work. A CEO could go missing or die and an organization will still function. See August Bush IV, who was too busy letting chicks die in his bed than to run the organization, yet attracted and safely had a merger with InBev.
A lone IT guy will either stay a lone IT guy burned out by the entire situation or does as I did make the entire environment hum to remove the need for the person. It's infinitely unhealthy to be in the former, and infinitely boring in the latter.
A paraphrase of the safety credo from AT&T would fit best. No service is so critical and no service so important that we cannot take the time and find a backup for your position.
You need to work in the SMB for a while. Only working for large shops gives a skewed view of the world. You have very different priorities from a lot of people. Nothing wrong with that. But you give up a ton over ideas like this.
I get more vacation time, more flexible hours and higher pay because I'm willing to be more flexible. Say it my way, it sounds like you are the one addicted to work.
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My flexibility earned me a lot of years of six figure pay working only two to three hours a day, work anytime, ability to drink at work, etc. I don't want to be stuck working forced ten hour days just because I want vacation to be uninterrupted possibly. That seems pretty extreme to want to cripple your whole life to avoid a phone call, little work and take the time off some other time. To each there own, but I think you confuse what addicted to work means.
I treasure that I have gotten so much more time with my kids than normal people do.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You said that, not me. I said it was too costly to have replace my resources engaged just so that I can disconnect - which would just be extra stress and reduce the point of vacationing.
Upon you, not them necessarily.
Face it, you are seriously addicted to working. You are jonesing for your next shift like Tyrone Biggums for his next hit of crack. If your phone was destroyed you would be exhibiting symptoms of withdrawal not unlike someone who is going through DTs.
Seriously, if someone cannot let go, it's a problem. What would happen if you got fired tomorrow?
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@scottalanmiller said:
You need to work in the SMB for a while.
Seriously dude? Ain't you the one who worked for Citi for years?
During my time at Stream, we had a corporate mascot called Bendy. It was a smiling yellow faced bendy figure. It was supposed to symbolize "flexibility" but it turned into the most abused mascot on the planet. Impaled on sticks, bound and gagged in BDSM positions, and the ever-present doggy style pose. Any business, big or small, that demands you be "flexible" all the time is bending you over to [moderated] you up the [moderated].
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You said that, not me. I said it was too costly to have replace my resources engaged just so that I can disconnect - which would just be extra stress and reduce the point of vacationing.
Upon you, not them necessarily.
Face it, you are seriously addicted to working. You are jonesing for your next shift like Tyrone Biggums for his next hit of crack. If your phone was destroyed you would be exhibiting symptoms of withdrawal not unlike someone who is going through DTs.
Seriously, if someone cannot let go, it's a problem. What would happen if you got fired tomorrow?
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You need to work in the SMB for a while.
Seriously dude? Ain't you the one who worked for Citi for years?
During my time at Stream, we had a corporate mascot called Bendy. It was a smiling yellow faced bendy figure. It was supposed to symbolize "flexibility" but it turned into the most abused mascot on the planet. Impaled on sticks, bound and gagged in BDSM positions, and the ever-present doggy style pose. Any business, big or small, that demands you be "flexible" all the time is bending you over to fuck you up the ass.
I've done a lot of SMB over the years and at neither a one man shop or at Citi was it cost effective to have all things "covered" - not that Citi couldn't, but why reduce my value so much for no gain?
Now, to be fair, I didn't get any vacation at Citi at all so the point is moot there.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
Denial, not just a river in Egypt!
You [moderated] up, and I mean [moderated] up, your [moderated] is grass. I am decoupled from my professional, personal, and online persona, nor do I entrench in anyone's fiefdom. You have combined it into one giant ball of wax. And your circle of folks you know is within the same industry you just got [moderated] canned from. You get a bad rep, your done.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
Denial, not just a river in Egypt!
You f() up, and I mean f() up, your ass is grass. I am decoupled from my professional, personal, and online persona, nor do I entrench in anyone's fiefdom. You have combined it into one giant ball of wax. And your circle of folks you know is within the same industry you just got shitcanned from. You get a bad rep, your done.
In what way do feel demanding a completely disconnected vacation do you feel protects you from unemployment?
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@scottalanmiller said:
I've done a lot of SMB over the years and at neither a one man shop or at Citi was it cost effective to have all things "covered" - not that Citi couldn't, but why reduce my value so much for no gain?
So the thousands of folks working IT at Citi, Chase, or any number of banks is a single island, where no one can ever be useful within another's realm?
You do know that this is the quintessential definition of a narcissist?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
Denial, not just a river in Egypt!
You f() up, and I mean f() up, your ass is grass. I am decoupled from my professional, personal, and online persona, nor do I entrench in anyone's fiefdom. You have combined it into one giant ball of wax. And your circle of folks you know is within the same industry you just got shitcanned from. You get a bad rep, your done.
In what way do feel demanding a completely disconnected vacation do you feel protects you from unemployment?
It is part of a bigger psychological point I'm making.
Seriously, this is a problem. A serious, serious problem. The strange and crazed way you demand an interrupted vacation is just another symptom of your inability to let go of things. Believe me, there is a lot there, any psychologist would easily be able to see the warning signs.
Better question, do you hire peers who are as equal or better than you at things? Would you?
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Friendly reminder be nice please I don't want to shut down this thread.....
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What kind of language is this.
This isn't appropriate, it's supposed to be nice and friendly in here.
There is no need!
Here to guide, try to help each other and or general banter, language like that is abusive and irrespective of being in a forum it should not be used!
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Why oh why did this turn into a flame war? Really?
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maybe PSX and SAM have got some beef? do we need to arrange a boxing match? i'll take the winner on
Seriously though. SAM likes to work. he's good at what he does, as are many of us, and if he wants to be connected all the time he can. -
@Hubtech said:
maybe PSX and SAM have got some beef? do we need to arrange a boxing match? i'll take the winner on
Seriously though. SAM likes to work. he's good at what he does, as are many of us, and if he wants to be connected all the time he can.also, we took the Norwegian Sun on a cruise of the Inner Passage in Alaska for our honeymoon last year... it was AMAZING. and had really expensive wifi on the ship. it wasn't the best, but i was able to put out some fires. PSX, i'm a one man shop right now. MSP. i can't be gone for a week at a time. not sure why this seems so personal to you.
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aawww.. there's the PSX we all know so well from SW....
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Don't encourage him please!
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Notice I left off the ... and love .... part.
Frankly I don't see the need for anyone to be a fraking keyboard commando. I don't give a crap how smart you think you are or how smart you actually are... I'll (and most would agree) will ignore the loud mouth and give credit to the less annoying.
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@Hubtech said:
PSX, i'm a one man shop right now. MSP. i can't be gone for a week at a time. not sure why this seems so personal to you.
If you are a one man shop and cannot take vacation, why not hire a goon? Or are your customers so pissy that if you dare take off a day they will up and quit using your services? I know doctors who are able to take months off at a time, and they deal in life and death. If a customer requires so much babysitting that you can never leave, that's not a good customer, that's an abusive relationship. "Oh, he didn't mean to yell at me for something he screwed up, it's my fault for not explaining it better". Sound familiar?
I'm sick of this mentality. And I'm gonna call it out like I always do. Complete and utter bull[moderated]. Scott may know some things, but he is dead wrong here. And any employer who demands that you always be available will only find the desperate and insane. We have interests, enjoyment, lives outside of what we do. I do not define myself by my job title. A job is a means to an end, the easiest way to make the most money for the least amount of effort. Someday perhaps I will reach a point where I do what I want and get paid for it, but today is not that day. And until that day comes, I will take off as much time as I please and tell my employer to kiss my [moderated] if they dare call me when I'm having relations with a lady friend.
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Finally, ML starts to heat up! I'm always connected on holiday, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. Just because I love my life, doesn't mean it's not healthy to have a 2 week break from it. Time to reboot. Time to refresh. Time to realise what is important in your life.
Or in the words of Tom Waits:
*I never saw the morning till I stayed up all night
I never saw the sunshine till you turned out the light
I never saw my home town until I stayed away too long
I never heard the melody until I needed the songI never saw the white line till I was leavin' you behind
I never knew I needed you until I was caught up in a bind
And I never spoke I love you till I cursed you in vain
I never felt my heart strings until I nearly went insaneI never saw the east coast until I moved to the west
I never saw the moonlight till it shone off your breast
I never saw your heart until someone tried to steal, tried to steal it away
I never saw your tears till they rolled down your faceI never saw the morning till I stayed up all night
I never saw the sunshine till you turned out your love light, baby
I never saw my home town until I stayed away too long
I never heard the melody till I needed the song*
