Cruising is finally coming into this century
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@scottalanmiller said:
It's not addiction to enjoy what you do and it's not narcissism to take on senior roles that have dependencies.
Can you let go of work? Smells like addiction to me.
It's narcissism when you think you are so critical that you and only you can possibly be involved with things.
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There are jobs out there, even for IT, that are large enough and do enough overlapping work that you really can get to be "just a cog" which a lot if people will really like. It has a lot of advantages. And those jobs have the capacity to completely eliminate key man risk, for those jobs in that category, when the companies are large enough. That's great for then. But no SMB is in that category, no financial, no hospital.... 90% of the post-helpdesk world of IT isn't like that.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
It's not addiction to enjoy what you do and it's not narcissism to take on senior roles that have dependencies.
Can you let go of work? Smells like addiction to me.
It's narcissism when you think you are so critical that you and only you can possibly be involved with things.
You said that, not me. I said it was too costly to have replace my resources engaged just so that I can disconnect - which would just be extra stress and reduce the point of vacationing.
Addicted to work and losing massive value by being unwilling to be a little flexible are very different things.
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@scottalanmiller said:
If you are lone IT or a CEO...... Are you really saying that they aren't that important?
Yes. Ultimately, yes.
CEOs do no work. A CEO could go missing or die and an organization will still function. See August Bush IV, who was too busy letting chicks die in his bed than to run the organization, yet attracted and safely had a merger with InBev.
A lone IT guy will either stay a lone IT guy burned out by the entire situation or does as I did make the entire environment hum to remove the need for the person. It's infinitely unhealthy to be in the former, and infinitely boring in the latter.
A paraphrase of the safety credo from AT&T would fit best. No service is so critical and no service so important that we cannot take the time and find a backup for your position.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
If you are lone IT or a CEO...... Are you really saying that they aren't that important?
Yes. Ultimately, yes.
CEOs do no work. A CEO could go missing or die and an organization will still function. See August Bush IV, who was too busy letting chicks die in his bed than to run the organization, yet attracted and safely had a merger with InBev.
A lone IT guy will either stay a lone IT guy burned out by the entire situation or does as I did make the entire environment hum to remove the need for the person. It's infinitely unhealthy to be in the former, and infinitely boring in the latter.
A paraphrase of the safety credo from AT&T would fit best. No service is so critical and no service so important that we cannot take the time and find a backup for your position.
You need to work in the SMB for a while. Only working for large shops gives a skewed view of the world. You have very different priorities from a lot of people. Nothing wrong with that. But you give up a ton over ideas like this.
I get more vacation time, more flexible hours and higher pay because I'm willing to be more flexible. Say it my way, it sounds like you are the one addicted to work.
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My flexibility earned me a lot of years of six figure pay working only two to three hours a day, work anytime, ability to drink at work, etc. I don't want to be stuck working forced ten hour days just because I want vacation to be uninterrupted possibly. That seems pretty extreme to want to cripple your whole life to avoid a phone call, little work and take the time off some other time. To each there own, but I think you confuse what addicted to work means.
I treasure that I have gotten so much more time with my kids than normal people do.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You said that, not me. I said it was too costly to have replace my resources engaged just so that I can disconnect - which would just be extra stress and reduce the point of vacationing.
Upon you, not them necessarily.
Face it, you are seriously addicted to working. You are jonesing for your next shift like Tyrone Biggums for his next hit of crack. If your phone was destroyed you would be exhibiting symptoms of withdrawal not unlike someone who is going through DTs.
Seriously, if someone cannot let go, it's a problem. What would happen if you got fired tomorrow?
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@scottalanmiller said:
You need to work in the SMB for a while.
Seriously dude? Ain't you the one who worked for Citi for years?
During my time at Stream, we had a corporate mascot called Bendy. It was a smiling yellow faced bendy figure. It was supposed to symbolize "flexibility" but it turned into the most abused mascot on the planet. Impaled on sticks, bound and gagged in BDSM positions, and the ever-present doggy style pose. Any business, big or small, that demands you be "flexible" all the time is bending you over to [moderated] you up the [moderated].
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You said that, not me. I said it was too costly to have replace my resources engaged just so that I can disconnect - which would just be extra stress and reduce the point of vacationing.
Upon you, not them necessarily.
Face it, you are seriously addicted to working. You are jonesing for your next shift like Tyrone Biggums for his next hit of crack. If your phone was destroyed you would be exhibiting symptoms of withdrawal not unlike someone who is going through DTs.
Seriously, if someone cannot let go, it's a problem. What would happen if you got fired tomorrow?
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You need to work in the SMB for a while.
Seriously dude? Ain't you the one who worked for Citi for years?
During my time at Stream, we had a corporate mascot called Bendy. It was a smiling yellow faced bendy figure. It was supposed to symbolize "flexibility" but it turned into the most abused mascot on the planet. Impaled on sticks, bound and gagged in BDSM positions, and the ever-present doggy style pose. Any business, big or small, that demands you be "flexible" all the time is bending you over to fuck you up the ass.
I've done a lot of SMB over the years and at neither a one man shop or at Citi was it cost effective to have all things "covered" - not that Citi couldn't, but why reduce my value so much for no gain?
Now, to be fair, I didn't get any vacation at Citi at all so the point is moot there.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
Denial, not just a river in Egypt!
You [moderated] up, and I mean [moderated] up, your [moderated] is grass. I am decoupled from my professional, personal, and online persona, nor do I entrench in anyone's fiefdom. You have combined it into one giant ball of wax. And your circle of folks you know is within the same industry you just got [moderated] canned from. You get a bad rep, your done.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
Denial, not just a river in Egypt!
You f() up, and I mean f() up, your ass is grass. I am decoupled from my professional, personal, and online persona, nor do I entrench in anyone's fiefdom. You have combined it into one giant ball of wax. And your circle of folks you know is within the same industry you just got shitcanned from. You get a bad rep, your done.
In what way do feel demanding a completely disconnected vacation do you feel protects you from unemployment?
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@scottalanmiller said:
I've done a lot of SMB over the years and at neither a one man shop or at Citi was it cost effective to have all things "covered" - not that Citi couldn't, but why reduce my value so much for no gain?
So the thousands of folks working IT at Citi, Chase, or any number of banks is a single island, where no one can ever be useful within another's realm?
You do know that this is the quintessential definition of a narcissist?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I would be in that much better of a position to find another job. One factor of flexibility is about risk reduction in life.
Denial, not just a river in Egypt!
You f() up, and I mean f() up, your ass is grass. I am decoupled from my professional, personal, and online persona, nor do I entrench in anyone's fiefdom. You have combined it into one giant ball of wax. And your circle of folks you know is within the same industry you just got shitcanned from. You get a bad rep, your done.
In what way do feel demanding a completely disconnected vacation do you feel protects you from unemployment?
It is part of a bigger psychological point I'm making.
Seriously, this is a problem. A serious, serious problem. The strange and crazed way you demand an interrupted vacation is just another symptom of your inability to let go of things. Believe me, there is a lot there, any psychologist would easily be able to see the warning signs.
Better question, do you hire peers who are as equal or better than you at things? Would you?
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Friendly reminder be nice please I don't want to shut down this thread.....
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What kind of language is this.
This isn't appropriate, it's supposed to be nice and friendly in here.
There is no need!
Here to guide, try to help each other and or general banter, language like that is abusive and irrespective of being in a forum it should not be used!
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Why oh why did this turn into a flame war? Really?
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maybe PSX and SAM have got some beef? do we need to arrange a boxing match? i'll take the winner on
Seriously though. SAM likes to work. he's good at what he does, as are many of us, and if he wants to be connected all the time he can. -
@Hubtech said:
maybe PSX and SAM have got some beef? do we need to arrange a boxing match? i'll take the winner on
Seriously though. SAM likes to work. he's good at what he does, as are many of us, and if he wants to be connected all the time he can.also, we took the Norwegian Sun on a cruise of the Inner Passage in Alaska for our honeymoon last year... it was AMAZING. and had really expensive wifi on the ship. it wasn't the best, but i was able to put out some fires. PSX, i'm a one man shop right now. MSP. i can't be gone for a week at a time. not sure why this seems so personal to you.
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aawww.. there's the PSX we all know so well from SW....
