Cruising is finally coming into this century



  • http://www.cio.com/article/751942/Using_IT_to_Make_Vacationers_Happy?page=1&taxonomyId=3178

    We've never been on a cruise because Scott can't handle being disconnected like that. I like this quote β€œThis is a huge change that makes us even more compelling in the resort vacation market. When one of our guys got to meet Michael Dell, for instance, he said he'd never been on a cruise -- he just couldn't be that far away from the office for that long. With our new technology, this isn't an issue any more.” I'm hoping maybe we can actually take a family cruise sometime in the near future, at least on Royal Caribbean.



  • Cruises are for vacationing, not work. When I go to Disney, all I take with me is my phone. My wife keeps the tablet hidden from me except for when I'm on the plane πŸ™‚



  • It's not a vacation to me if I can't be reached and have no means of knowing if things are okay. Talk about screwing a vacation - making me worry constantly and spend port time trying to check in. No way. I need to know that everything is good so that I can relax. No connectivity = no vacation to me.



  • That's an unrealistic view for someone who is running or is vital to a company, especially a small one. One important person being unreachable for any length of time could be catastrophic.



  • I'm excited because I've always thought that cruising would be great but being offline would be awful, even if I didn't need to work. Now we can really consider it, once this is implemented.



  • @Dominica said:

    That's an unrealistic view for someone who is running or is vital to a company, especially a small one. One important person being unreachable for any length of time could be catastrophic.

    Any businessman, sales person, marketing or critical IT staffer would be eliminated instantly. Pretty much no mid level or higher business position would want to be completely cut off. Too much risk, too much stress for no reason.

    Even in large Fortune 100s, once you are out of the trenches, you need to be reachable.



  • I find myself wanting to be like Scott, but then again unwilling to give up choices (plus my boss is pretty cool about it). When we took a cruise a few years ago I only had access while in two of our 4 ports. it definitely left me with some anxiety, but I survived and am looking forward to the next cruise this fall.



  • And being online doesn't equal work. Lots of people don't want severed from their personal lives either. I don't want to lose the ability to talk to family and friends. I don't want a vacation from people that I like.

    And things that I enjoy doing often happen online. Without being online a cruise sounds insanely boring and stressful to me. Being online makes it sounds relaxing and fun.



  • When I went to Europe last summer, my boss practically threatened to fire me if I checked my email while I was on vacation. She did forbid my coworkers from talking to me or responding to emails while I was on vacation... this is a rather odd situation.

    FYI, I'm a one man IT shop.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    And being online doesn't equal work. Lots of people don't want severed from their personal lives either. I don't want to lose the ability to talk to family and friends. I don't want a vacation from people that I like.

    And things that I enjoy doing often happen online. Without being online a cruise sounds insanely boring and stressful to me. Being online makes it sounds relaxing and fun.

    I agree with everything you just said!



  • I mostly get to disconnect but I have to be able to be sure that things are okay. It would really suck to have some major disaster happen that I could have prevented. Is rather take another vacation than have disaster strike because I needed to be unreachable.

    There is a big difference between not being reached and being unreachable. I want the former but refuse the latter.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    It's not a vacation to me if I can't be reached and have no means of knowing if things are okay. Talk about screwing a vacation - making me worry constantly and spend port time trying to check in. No way. I need to know that everything is good so that I can relax. No connectivity = no vacation to me.

    Do you not have a backup minion? Anyone cross trained enough to pick up where you leave off for a short period of time?



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    And being online doesn't equal work. Lots of people don't want severed from their personal lives either. I don't want to lose the ability to talk to family and friends. I don't want a vacation from people that I like.

    And things that I enjoy doing often happen online. Without being online a cruise sounds insanely boring and stressful to me. Being online makes it sounds relaxing and fun.

    I completely understand that if you are staying connected for pleasure, but it's the work part that I was referring to. Do you leave that alone while on vacation and have someone just check in with you?



  • If you can't break away from work completely for a week, it's a sign of one or more things:

    1. You have a problem such as addiction to work
    2. Your company doesn't have proper controls in place to mitigate the impact the loss of an employee
    3. You haven't properly cross-trained your backup person.

    The same thing applies to vacations as getting hit by a bus. What happens if you get hit by a bus? Will the company go under? If so, fix it. If not, enjoy vacation.



  • He does have backup minions. And would not have to do anything when he was on vacation however the worrying about the possibility is the issue. Not the actually having to do anything. But my whole team is like that. I have a minion or 2 who don't take vacation time as ordered πŸ˜›



  • @Minion-Queen said:

    He does have backup minions. And would not have to do anything when he was on vacation however the worrying about the possibility is the issue. Not the actually having to do anything. But my whole team is like that. I have a minion or 2 who don't take vacation time as ordered πŸ˜›

    Well I can imagine that it's a hard thing to do especially if you are involved pretty deeply in projects and other happenings. I got that way when I was working at MDC and Goodwill. It started effecting my personal life, mainly with my wife and I and family.



  • my dad is like that where he cannot disconnect for any length of time. When he goes on "vacation" to aruba he connects home via vpn and works 4-5hrs per day. I try to cut him off but he just can't let things go. Granted he was a small business owner at the time, now he works for a different company so we will see this year what he does.



  • @Minion-Queen said:

    He does have backup minions. And would not have to do anything when he was on vacation however the worrying about the possibility is the issue. Not the actually having to do anything. But my whole team is like that. I have a minion or 2 who don't take vacation time as ordered πŸ˜›

    Most of your team, perhaps? When I'm on vacation, I'm unplugged. Not doing so burned me out a few years ago, and I'm still losing the weight i gained from it.



  • @david.wiese said:

    my dad is like that where he cannot disconnect for any length of time. When he goes on "vacation" to aruba he connects home via vpn and works 4-5hrs per day. I try to cut him off but he just can't let things go. Granted he was a small business owner at the time, now he works for a different company so we will see this year what he does.

    It's completely different when you OWN the company or are some very high position in the company versus being the IT guy. In my case we have a consulting company on standby for when I'm unavailable or need help.



  • @Bill-Kindle said:

    @Minion-Queen said:

    He does have backup minions. And would not have to do anything when he was on vacation however the worrying about the possibility is the issue. Not the actually having to do anything. But my whole team is like that. I have a minion or 2 who don't take vacation time as ordered πŸ˜›

    Well I can imagine that it's a hard thing to do especially if you are involved pretty deeply in projects and other happenings. I got that way when I was working at MDC and Goodwill. It started effecting my personal life, mainly with my wife and I and family.

    Understandable. It cost me relationships, friends, health, etc.



  • @Dashrender said:

    @david.wiese said:

    my dad is like that where he cannot disconnect for any length of time. When he goes on "vacation" to aruba he connects home via vpn and works 4-5hrs per day. I try to cut him off but he just can't let things go. Granted he was a small business owner at the time, now he works for a different company so we will see this year what he does.

    It's completely different when you OWN the company or are some very high position in the company versus being the IT guy. In my case we have a consulting company on standby for when I'm unavailable or need help.

    Yes. At VP or higher, the company pretty much owns you.



  • @alexntg said:

    @Dashrender said:

    @david.wiese said:

    my dad is like that where he cannot disconnect for any length of time. When he goes on "vacation" to aruba he connects home via vpn and works 4-5hrs per day. I try to cut him off but he just can't let things go. Granted he was a small business owner at the time, now he works for a different company so we will see this year what he does.

    It's completely different when you OWN the company or are some very high position in the company versus being the IT guy. In my case we have a consulting company on standby for when I'm unavailable or need help.

    Yes. At VP or higher, the company pretty much owns you.

    I am the IT guy for the company (obligated since he is my father) and i tell him i won't help him until he gets back. It is the son in me that is doing that so he actually relaxes. He then tends to find his own ways around it and i end up spending a weekend undoing those loopholes. So in reality i should just help him so i don't create more work for myself



  • @Bill-Kindle said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    It's not a vacation to me if I can't be reached and have no means of knowing if things are okay. Talk about screwing a vacation - making me worry constantly and spend port time trying to check in. No way. I need to know that everything is good so that I can relax. No connectivity = no vacation to me.

    Do you not have a backup minion? Anyone cross trained enough to pick up where you leave off for a short period of time?

    I've worked for Fortune 10s with IT teams with over 100,000 people and they can't do that.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @Bill-Kindle said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    It's not a vacation to me if I can't be reached and have no means of knowing if things are okay. Talk about screwing a vacation - making me worry constantly and spend port time trying to check in. No way. I need to know that everything is good so that I can relax. No connectivity = no vacation to me.

    Do you not have a backup minion? Anyone cross trained enough to pick up where you leave off for a short period of time?

    I've worked for Fortune 10s with IT teams with over 100,000 people and they can't do that.

    Sounds dysfunctional.



  • @Bill-Kindle said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    And being online doesn't equal work. Lots of people don't want severed from their personal lives either. I don't want to lose the ability to talk to family and friends. I don't want a vacation from people that I like.

    And things that I enjoy doing often happen online. Without being online a cruise sounds insanely boring and stressful to me. Being online makes it sounds relaxing and fun.

    I completely understand that if you are staying connected for pleasure, but it's the work part that I was referring to. Do you leave that alone while on vacation and have someone just check in with you?

    No need. That doesn't cause me any stress or effort. Why bother having people reach out. When you move what you do taking a vacation from it is rarely fun.



  • @alexntg said:

    @Minion-Queen said:

    He does have backup minions. And would not have to do anything when he was on vacation however the worrying about the possibility is the issue. Not the actually having to do anything. But my whole team is like that. I have a minion or 2 who don't take vacation time as ordered πŸ˜›

    Most of your team, perhaps? When I'm on vacation, I'm unplugged. Not doing so burned me out a few years ago, and I'm still losing the weight i gained from it.

    Opposite for me. Force me to unplug and I'll burn out FAST.



  • @Dashrender said:

    @david.wiese said:

    my dad is like that where he cannot disconnect for any length of time. When he goes on "vacation" to aruba he connects home via vpn and works 4-5hrs per day. I try to cut him off but he just can't let things go. Granted he was a small business owner at the time, now he works for a different company so we will see this year what he does.

    It's completely different when you OWN the company or are some very high position in the company versus being the IT guy. In my case we have a consulting company on standby for when I'm unavailable or need help.

    In many companies, IT is about as high as it gets. Few jobs are more important.



  • It's far more than work. Life is connected today. The idea isn't just disconnecting from work but from life. I like my life, I'm not looking to escape it.

    One of the things I have worked hard to do is to love my job as well as have my job and life be tightly integrated. Disconnecting from one means disconnecting from the other.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @Dominica said:

    That's an unrealistic view for someone who is running or is vital to a company, especially a small one. One important person being unreachable for any length of time could be catastrophic.

    Any businessman, sales person, marketing or critical IT staffer would be eliminated instantly. Pretty much no mid level or higher business position would want to be completely cut off. Too much risk, too much stress for no reason.

    Even in large Fortune 100s, once you are out of the trenches, you need to be reachable.

    Huh?

    You know who I work for, no one cog is so critical that they can never go on vacation or be unaccessable.

    Any business worth it's salt can easily spread the load between others to ensure coverage. SPOF is bad, bad, bad. Or you can be like me during my Spherion years, I made the network hum so well I could go away for a month without having a single issue.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    It's far more than work. Life is connected today. The idea isn't just disconnecting from work but from life. I like my life, I'm not looking to escape it.

    One of the things I have worked hard to do is to love my job as well as have my job and life be tightly integrated. Disconnecting from one means disconnecting from the other.

    See I love being connected but if i'm going on vacation i want to leave all of that behind and just decompress. Go old school if you will where the only way to get in contact with me is by calling the resort I am staying at. When I am in Aruba, my phone is off and in the safe. If there is an emergency our parents know where to get a hold of us. Granted I am married and don't have any kids so that might be the deciding factor here.


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