Newbies, love 'em or hate 'em they are the next gen...



  • I just thought I'd post a small grudge I have with newbies in the IT field. Most of them are like we used to be, geeky people who love computers and we thought we knew better than everyone else. First sign of failure and we freaked, no matter how many text books or college courses we took, the failure isn't relevant to our pre-written scenario's. We've all been through that struggle, we've all learned from our own mistakes and carried on. We took the punches on the jaw, and carried on our ways to either get better, or give up.

    But why? Why are we so arrogant in our ways at our younger age? (yes I'm still technically a newbie I'd say, but I listen). When someone makes an effort to tell you what will and will not work, why shoot it down and tell them they are wrong? I feel its become a curse of the online community, as well as a blessing in some cases. The newest of the new seem to post simply for a ego stroke, as long as you agree with them, if you don't they refuse to listen.... why? Its aggravating, and personally I have always been willing to listen to alternate opinions and view points simply to grow my own.

    Is this a growing issue in the IT community? Or has it always been going on?

    (Context; a guy asked for a all in one touch screen desktop for an emergency room and keeps saying Dell all in ones will do for under $1K, he won't accept me saying medical grade is required, and he said tablets wouldn't work and has been somewhat of a jerk about it. Maybe I'm just stroking my ego here, but... an ER requires a medical grade computer, not an off the rack Dell Precision...)



  • If someone can explain why my idea's bad or why it won't work, great. If somone can't explain or back it up, I go and get one of these:

    whoopass.jpg


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    No offense, but never really saw "medical grade" PCs in these places. Not really a hospital, but I did manage a 3 site assisted living facility and there was nothing fancy like that.


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    @DenisKelley said:

    No offense, but never really saw "medical grade" PCs in these places. Not really a hospital, but I did manage a 3 site assisted living facility and there was nothing fancy like that.

    I have done hospital consulting since the 1990s and everything that we use are just normal PCs. I'm not sure what would qualify as medical grade. We used tablets too, starting in 2000 or so.


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  • If you're in an ER touching a screen with bloodied hands, I'd like to know it was going to be safer than a lenovo all in one with a sunk in bezel :-P.


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    The only medical grade I remember was the one that goes "bing."



  • I have to agree with the rest here, medical grade is mostly a joke. Sure today they have some antibacterial plastics, but I don't really consider this a real issue. Wipe the materials down when you're done and you should be fine.

    Now if you're worried about blood getting stuck in hard to clean places, OK fine, buy a unit that does have them or at least a few of them as possible. But if the customer wants something and won't listen to your suggestion, sell him what he wants and move on.



  • The hospitals around here all have regular PCs on carts with Saran Wrap taped over the keyboards.


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    @RAM. said:

    If you're in an ER touching a screen with bloodied hands, I'd like to know it was going to be safer than a lenovo all in one with a sunk in bezel :-P.

    We built touchless interfaces for our systems used by people covered in nasty stuff.



  • @Dashrender said:

    I have to agree with the rest here, medical grade is mostly a joke. Sure today they have some antibacterial plastics, but I don't really consider this a real issue. Wipe the materials down when you're done and you should be fine.

    That's all I have ever seen too. Only on instruments that are in a surgical setting does this really become an issue, and even then you start to see more stainless steel or other metals used.



  • @RAM. To what I think your original point is, yeah there's some arrogance with someone that's new. I think we all have been there, maybe not long but it's common. Some never grow out of it (former boss I had called me an idiot to my face, even though he was proven wrong and more than one person verified I was correct, his ego couldn't handle being wrong.)

    With experience comes wisdom.


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    Yes. Stainless is the real answer. Normal computer in sealed stainless shells.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    Yes. Stainless is the real answer. Normal computer in sealed stainless shells.

    Copper would actually be better because it's naturally antimicrobial.



  • @Dashrender said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    Yes. Stainless is the real answer. Normal computer in sealed stainless shells.

    Copper would actually be better because it's naturally antimicrobial.

    True but it's prone to a higher corrosion rate than stainless steel is.



  • @Bill-Kindle said:

    @Dashrender said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    Yes. Stainless is the real answer. Normal computer in sealed stainless shells.

    Copper would actually be better because it's naturally antimicrobial.

    True but it's prone to a higher corrosion rate than stainless steel is.

    Yeah as I was writing that.. this was the one thing I was wondering might be an issue?


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    Copper corrodes quickly and is quite expensive and easy to damage.



  • and now I realize I wrote the wrong metal... I meant brass!


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    Oh brass! That makes more sense, lol.



  • I think you get people like this in every field.

    I've seen it in Insurance/Medical/Travel.

    Depends on the person, you will notice that they normally generally have issues, doesn't matter if it's authority/ranking/what ever. 🙂

    I still classify myself as an IT newbie, been doing it professionally for 11 years.

    Sometimes, you do get these arrogant little so and so's, but they might be excellent at some certain skills, which you might not be.

    It's about guiding people accordingly and making the most out of who they are, kindly educating them that there are certain elements about them that can't continue.

    Sometimes, there are also these people that you go out your way to really help, support them, sometimes without them realising, ensuring they get looked after. Then they think they are god knows what, throw it back in your face and in some kind of fashion aren't faithful/are backstabbers, so watch out for those 😉

    Nevertheless, best of luck 😉


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