HRC Verdict



  • Let's leave politics at the door and talk about his as if an election wasn't going on. How do you feel about Hillary's blatant disregard for handling classified emails. It sure seems to me like anyone else in this predicament would be at a minimum stripped of their security clearances and probably face jail time.



  • @IRJ Everyone else knows that they would have been in jail a long time ago. They don't call it the "Clinton Crime Family" for nothing.



  • I still don't understand why the people sending over 100 emails ,~12 of then were produced by the on site server , aren't being investigated either.

    The big issue I see is that this isn't the fault of a single person. From everything I've read this is systemic for the state department as two previous SoS' both ran private servers.



  • @coliver said in HRC Verdict:

    The big issue I see if that this isn't the fault of a single person. From everything I've read this is systemic for the state department as two previous SoS' both ran private servers.

    Well, technology has advanced quite bit with each term of this position so yes it is possible the rules weren't clearly stated for the particular position. However anyone with a brain should understand the difference between work and personal emails as well as classified and unclassified emails.

    Everyone who has a security clearance (I know firsthand) receives training for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. What HRC did is certainly not acceptable. When you work for a defense company, you often see posters and receive emails of people who leak information and what their sentence was. This is well known in the industry and the government makes you have understand the dire consequences of mishandling sensitive information.



  • HRC had multiple server admins. The server admins should have known better themselves and maybe they warned HRC, but who knows. I can't imagine being in a position of a server admin and not knowing that possible classified information was being leaked.



  • to put it quite simply, she should be burned at the stake!.



  • I don't know what kind of information was leaked, but at a minimum she should lose her security clearance which I am assuming would DQ her for President.



  • 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

    See section F



  • @IRJ Isn't it always the same? Get high enough and you don't need to be afraid of anything.

    Same here in Germany:

    • BER (IATA), our new "mega-airport" in Berlin, exploded in costs. Planned for EUR 1B in 2006. We're at EUR 6B right now. People in charge got changed at least 3 times. No one was sentenced.
    • Hamburg Elbphilharmonie (high class concert hall): Planned for EUR 77M in 2007, right now at roughly 750M. 10 times higher. Any serious sentencing? Nope.
    • Eurofighter
    • Eurocopter
    • Puma, armored car / small tank
    • NH90 helicopter
    • A400M
    • G36 rifle
    • (anything military)

    And this is just about money. Sure, politics involved, but nothing that may fall under 18 U.S. Code § 793



  • @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @IRJ Isn't it always the same? Get high enough and you don't need to be afraid of anything.

    Same here in Germany:

    • BER (IATA), our new "mega-airport" in Berlin, exploded in costs. Planned for EUR 1B in 2006. We're at EUR 6B right now. People in charge got changed at least 3 times. No one was sentenced.
    • Hamburg Elbphilharmonie (high class concert hall): Planned for EUR 77M in 2007, right now at roughly 750M. 10 times higher. Any serious sentencing? Nope.
    • Eurofighter
    • Eurocopter
    • Puma, armored car / small tank
    • NH90 helicopter
    • A400M
    • G36 rifle
    • (anything military)

    And this is just about money. Sure, politics involved, but nothing that may fall under 18 U.S. Code § 793

    Yes, you are right once you reach a certain level of power, you are invincible. The Clintons have always gotten their way and this isn't the first time they have been in trouble. However, this is different because you are talking about national secrets. Money is replaceable, but some secrets are priceless. At least 8 emails were considered Top Secret which is vital to national security.



  • @IRJ Well, like the past showed us, even lying about a war reason isn't a problem in the US of A. And it works at least twice.



  • @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @IRJ Well, like the past showed us, even lying about a war reason isn't a problem in the US of A. And it works at least twice.

    Yes, and the USA has a long history of lying to get involved in wars. Look at the Spanish-American War, WWI, and Vietnam.


  • Service Provider

    @IRJ said in HRC Verdict:

    @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @IRJ Well, like the past showed us, even lying about a war reason isn't a problem in the US of A. And it works at least twice.

    Yes, and the USA has a long history of lying to get involved in wars. Look at the Spanish-American War, WWI, and Vietnam.

    Don't leave out WWII. Our leaders wanted us in while the popular opinion of the population was to stay out. I firmly believe that we intentionally egged Japan on. Yeah, it did not take much but still.



  • @JaredBusch said in HRC Verdict:

    @IRJ said in HRC Verdict:

    @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @IRJ Well, like the past showed us, even lying about a war reason isn't a problem in the US of A. And it works at least twice.

    Yes, and the USA has a long history of lying to get involved in wars. Look at the Spanish-American War, WWI, and Vietnam.

    Don't leave out WWII. Our leaders wanted us in while the popular opinion of the population was to stay out. I firmly believe that we intentionally egged Japan on. Yeah, it did not take much but still.

    Wars are quite profitable. Especially when you are on the winning side.



  • That's right kids, all politicians are useless scumbags that deserve a slow death at best... Just like the police, they are able to do anything they like without reproach or penalty. Had y'all not already figured this out??? How many decades has it been since a politician was accountable for their actions??? They all deserve the Targaryan treatment... see video below for further details. Skip ahead to 3:25 for the real essence of my message. Very NSFW.

    Youtube Video



  • @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    That's right kids, all politicians are useless scumbags that deserve a slow death at best... Just like the police, they are able to do anything they like without reproach or penalty. Had y'all not already figured this out??? How many decades has it been since a politician was accountable for their actions??? They all deserve the Targaryan treatment... see video below for further details. Skip ahead to 3:25 for the real essence of my message. Very NSFW.

    Youtube Video

    0_1467921307133_upload-6b47a9b5-9c54-478d-b550-83c6a63d7b8f

    Let me translate that: You need to watch this video directly on Youtube because the copyright holder does not allow this video to be embedded on other websites.

    ...



  • @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    That's right kids, all politicians are useless scumbags that deserve a slow death at best... Just like the police, they are able to do anything they like without reproach or penalty. Had y'all not already figured this out??? How many decades has it been since a politician was accountable for their actions??? They all deserve the Targaryan treatment... see video below for further details. Skip ahead to 3:25 for the real essence of my message. Very NSFW.

    Youtube Video

    0_1467921307133_upload-6b47a9b5-9c54-478d-b550-83c6a63d7b8f

    Let me translate that: You need to watch this video directly on Youtube because the copyright holder does not allow this video to be embedded on other websites.

    ...

    Hey, it works over here in 'Merica....

    My point is that all politicians should be locked in a building and burned alive.



  • The French Revolution gave all politicians the guillotine



  • @IRJ said in HRC Verdict:

    The French Revolution gave all politicians the guillotine

    That's something that should come roaring back. I'll be the unmasked executioner... pulling that guillotine rope all day, double shifts if needed.



  • @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    @IRJ said in HRC Verdict:

    The French Revolution gave all politicians the guillotine

    That's something that should come roaring back. I'll be the unmasked executioner... pulling that guillotine rope all day, double shifts if needed.

    480.jpg



  • @IRJ said in HRC Verdict:

    @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    @IRJ said in HRC Verdict:

    The French Revolution gave all politicians the guillotine

    That's something that should come roaring back. I'll be the unmasked executioner... pulling that guillotine rope all day, double shifts if needed.

    480.jpg

    That's me with the severed head.... "Who wants a piece of Lord Frenchy de Privilege??? 2 Francs per kilo!!!!"



  • @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    That's right kids, all politicians are useless scumbags that deserve a slow death at best... Just like the police, they are able to do anything they like without reproach or penalty. Had y'all not already figured this out??? How many decades has it been since a politician was accountable for their actions??? They all deserve the Targaryan treatment... see video below for further details. Skip ahead to 3:25 for the real essence of my message. Very NSFW.

    Youtube Video

    0_1467921307133_upload-6b47a9b5-9c54-478d-b550-83c6a63d7b8f

    Let me translate that: You need to watch this video directly on Youtube because the copyright holder does not allow this video to be embedded on other websites.

    ...

    Hey, it works over here in 'Merica....

    My point is that all politicians should be locked in a building and burned alive.

    Yeah, I guess that's something where I have to say

    THANK YOU GEMA

    NOT

    (GEMA is responsible for collecting fees whenever someone uses music that MAY belong to their license pool. They are using bots to report next to anything and Google is trying hard to automatically remove those videos. A very major topic here in good ol' Germany.)



  • @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    That's right kids, all politicians are useless scumbags that deserve a slow death at best... Just like the police, they are able to do anything they like without reproach or penalty. Had y'all not already figured this out??? How many decades has it been since a politician was accountable for their actions??? They all deserve the Targaryan treatment... see video below for further details. Skip ahead to 3:25 for the real essence of my message. Very NSFW.

    Youtube Video

    0_1467921307133_upload-6b47a9b5-9c54-478d-b550-83c6a63d7b8f

    Let me translate that: You need to watch this video directly on Youtube because the copyright holder does not allow this video to be embedded on other websites.

    ...

    Hey, it works over here in 'Merica....

    My point is that all politicians should be locked in a building and burned alive.

    Yeah, I guess that's something where I have to say

    THANK YOU GEMA

    NOT

    (GEMA is responsible for collecting fees whenever someone uses music that MAY belong to their license pool. They are using bots to report next to anything and Google is trying hard to automatically remove those videos. A very major topic here in good ol' Germany.)

    Well... that's thoroughly shitty. Maybe we need to teach you some good, old fashioned pirating techniques...



  • @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    @thwr said in HRC Verdict:

    @RojoLoco said in HRC Verdict:

    That's right kids, all politicians are useless scumbags that deserve a slow death at best... Just like the police, they are able to do anything they like without reproach or penalty. Had y'all not already figured this out??? How many decades has it been since a politician was accountable for their actions??? They all deserve the Targaryan treatment... see video below for further details. Skip ahead to 3:25 for the real essence of my message. Very NSFW.

    Youtube Video

    0_1467921307133_upload-6b47a9b5-9c54-478d-b550-83c6a63d7b8f

    Let me translate that: You need to watch this video directly on Youtube because the copyright holder does not allow this video to be embedded on other websites.

    ...

    Hey, it works over here in 'Merica....

    My point is that all politicians should be locked in a building and burned alive.

    Yeah, I guess that's something where I have to say

    THANK YOU GEMA

    NOT

    (GEMA is responsible for collecting fees whenever someone uses music that MAY belong to their license pool. They are using bots to report next to anything and Google is trying hard to automatically remove those videos. A very major topic here in good ol' Germany.)

    Well... that's thoroughly shitty. Maybe we need to teach you some good, old fashioned pirating techniques...

    Still know very well what black- and blueboxing is 😉

    Small hint:
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  • The guillotine was created as a humane way to execute people as the executioners hated their job so much they would show up drunk and it would takes multiple hits to kill someone due to them fumbling with the Axe.



  • @wirestyle22 said in HRC Verdict:

    The guillotine was created as a humane way to execute people as the executioners hated their job so much they would show up drunk and it would takes multiple hits to kill someone due to them fumbling with the Axe.

    If I were rewarded with the chance to execute politicians with a guillotine, I would grind the sharp edge off the blade, so it would not remove the head on the first whack. Politicians are not deserving of humanity in death.


  • Service Provider

    I'm behind here but my take on it, from what little I can tell, is that obviously there was gross incompetence and a total lack of basic literacy on many levels by many people - but from what I have seen there may also be a complete lack of laws and necessary security above that level making this unethical, but fully legal. The US has major security and technology issues at the federal level and my understanding is that this is simply Hillary taking advantage of an existing lack of laws. Much like how HIPAA allows faxing.


  • Service Provider

    State Department is reopening the investigation.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36742095


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